Need help - new 10ee

I just picked up this 10ee from a guy in chula vista
I learned about the machine from a posting by lazz on PM
Thanks lazz

Anyway I need some help identifying the machine and making it run

The motor is huge and it has tubes and transformers

I have 3 phase power 230v rpc in the shop

Anyone know what voltage this will run on

Any one know where I can get manuals for this machine?

Thanks in advance for any help

More pics

Everything seems to be moving ok
Surface rust and in need of paint and tooling

Now to see if it runs

I can't find any nameplate on the motor indicating the input voltage

Anyone know how I can find out the input voltage?

Is this a wiad system?

Can I run it like it is or do I need to do a conversion?

Thanks
Rich

There is a small flat belt that looks like is goes around the spindle and and idler and then a pulley right below the spindle

What is this for?

The belt is broke and needs replacing
Thanks again

If there is not a tag or label on the machine you will need to see how the transformer is wired for 220 or 440 from the disconnect box it is 3 PH.

lectrician1 said:

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There is a small flat belt that looks like is goes around the spindle and and idler and then a pulley right below the spindle

What is this for?

The belt is broke and needs replacing
Thanks again

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It is for Feed.

lectrician1 said:

Everything seems to be moving ok
Surface rust and in need of paint and tooling

Now to see if it runs

I can't find any nameplate on the motor indicating the input voltage

Anyone know how I can find out the input voltage?

Is this a wiad system?

Can I run it like it is or do I need to do a conversion?

Thanks
Rich

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The motor is DC that will not tell you much what the line voltage is you need to locate the main transformer and see how that is hooked up it should have a tag some where telling you how to hook it up for different voltages.

there is a coolant pump, look at the motor tag, that should be the line voltage. Yes it is a wiad,so roll out the tray, Yup... its special. But this is the best place to learn about it.

In looking at the photo of the motor, there is a small box sitting on the motor frame. If that box has a couple gears inside, you are likely in for some issues, as that appears tobe the speed control gearbox. How about some closer photos of that box. The belt is the easiest item you will work on with a 10EE.

Rather than us going through a "one on one" education on the 10EE, go to the archives on the Forum, and you will find everything you could possibly want.
After you come up to speed, we can help.

Lee (the saw guy)

Toms Wheels said:

The belt is the easiest item you will work on with a 10EE.

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And you ain't just whistlin' "Dixie", there ... ... damn lathe has made me learn more about things I never wanted to even know about than I will ever even be able to convey...

In the last image you posted there is a cover on the left side of the lathe on the back of the headstock through which there is a red button and a switch protruding. Remove the SHCS holding that to the lathe to expost the main contactor. Read the indistinct lettering on the contactor's coil, or take an image using some oblique lighting and you'll see the voltage of the coil - that's very likely the voltage the machine is currently wired for (or something stopped halfway in conversion).

Also, please post full size images. There's very little we can tell you when looking at itty-bitty images. Try putting up links to images hosted on a sharing site or something, then we can get you some real information. If you can post full size images of the complete sides, front & back we can describe with the disconnect is, what equipment it had/has, what to move and not move. As it stands I can barely make out much of anything.

Toms Wheels said:

In looking at the photo of the motor, there is a small box sitting on the motor frame. If that box has a couple gears inside, you are likely in for some issues, as that appears tobe the speed control gearbox. How about some closer photos of that box. The belt is the easiest item you will work on with a 10EE.

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That small box mentioned seems to be a small transformer dangling from it's leads. Since the disconnect has 600 Volt fuses, and a small transformer added by someone, it may be connected for 440/480 Volts using a 220 volt coil in the contactor behind the cover mentioned in post #12

The tag for the coolant pump is shown in the middle picture is post #2.

Bill

that is a small step down transformer dangling from its leads
480 to 240 or thereabouts
it doesn't appear to be from the factory it was added later

Wondering if a single pic will be any larger

rke[pler said:

In the last image you posted there is a cover on the left side of the lathe on the back of the headstock through which there is a red button and a switch protruding. Remove the SHCS holding that to the lathe to expost the main contactor. Read the indistinct lettering on the contactor's coil, or take an image using some oblique lighting and you'll see the voltage of the coil - that's very likely the voltage the machine is currently wired for (or something stopped halfway in conversion).

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the voltage on the contractor coil is 440volts

so i imagine i can get a 240v to 440v step up transformer to run this machine
is that correct?
if so about how many kva do you think ill need
i have a 15hp rotary phase converter 230v output
thanks

labeeman said:

If there is not a tag or label on the machine you will need to see how the transformer is wired for 220 or 440 from the disconnect box it is 3 PH.

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I see no tags or wiring diagrams anywhere
except that the pump will run on either 440 or 220

You need to follow the wires from that dangling transformer to figure out what it was installed for. Maybe converting 240 to 440 for the contactor?

Bill

Operator manuals from Monarch and other sources are available online, a web search should bring up a current site with one as they have varied over the years. Many of us have them on our hard drives and printed out but they can't be sent over this forum, the files are too large. For beginners the Stanford University one was particularly good. The 10 EE is not a simple machine, mechanical interlocks prevent some ham fisted moves but far from all of them.

The manual for your machine can be purchased (very highly recommended) from this source that is the go to for the parts and information you are going to need while getting your machine up to snuff. 10 EE were all custom built lathes and it's amazing they have the records for your machine and in the collective our machines.

Monarch Lathes | Welcome | Cnc & Manual Lathes Specialists

Your WiaD drive will run off single phase perfectly if it is good. Follow the advice above to determine what voltage it is set up for now. Some machines were dual voltage enabled, some were not. Since the coolant pump is dual voltage check its connections: what voltage is it wired for? That's another clue. It being dual voltage strongly suggests the input transformer is dual voltage also. Inspect as directed above in a prior generous response.

You have a 3 HP spindle motor WiaD (Works in a Drawer) machine. Let's not get into KVA yet, you have a lot to sort out before discussing electrical requirements.

You will receive wiring diagrams in the package you order from Monarch. They will also know if the machine was originally a dual voltage machine. That's another hint but who knows what has happened in the last 60 years? You will after you get to know what you have by examination with knowledge of what to look for.

Another vote here for familiarizing yourself with what is already on this forum free for the looking and searching. You'll never find a deeper source of information about the 10 EE than you can by looking back in this forum. Many of the most knowledgeable are no longer with us for various reasons so this is the only place to learn what they provided.

The coolant pump is three phase, your WiaD drive is not. Hope your machine wasn't trashed by coolant, that is a common scenario with found 10 EE and a big hole to climb out of.

Thank you very much for your reply

i called monarch today

the tech said it is a wiad drive 440v
easiest way to run it is with a step up transformer 3 phase
230 to 440v

I'm looking on eBay right now