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Old 09-12-2009, 09:20 PM
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I now needed to finish boring out the hole for my motor shaft and bore the seat for the oil seal. Since the original precision fit of the hole on the shaft was the reference point for all the alignment issues of this project, I didn't want to loose that when finishing out the hole. To make sure I could always go back to this original alignment, I drilled two holes thru my adaptor plate and into two unused bosses on the C face of my motor. These two holes were then reamed and fit with taper pins. Now I was able to finish my adaptor plate. The seal was placed and the plate was attached to the motor. At this time I was able to tap the key into the shaft with some red loctite and place the two retaining screws. The shaft was checked again for proper overall length and proper sliding fit of the gear. I can't believe that I haven't screwed anything up yet, but I have had some pretty good help. I'll have just a little bit more on the mechanical end of this conversion before proceeding to the electrical part.
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:04 AM
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After some minor hand fitting, the transmission was bolted down to the adaptor plate and checked for proper shifting . At first it didn't want to shift into high gear, but I discovered that the high speed internal gear teeth were burred and after removing these burrs everything checked out. Since my center height on the new motor was .750 lower than the original, I made a couple of mounting bars from 3/4 hot rolled. My motor adaptation is now done and I hope I haven't bored you guys that do this for a living with too many pictures and too much explanation. I'm sure there are some other hobby machinists out there, like myself, that appreciate the extra dialogue and pictures. I find it very helpful when I am trying to understand and follow some of the other posts. Thanks for the patience!
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:41 AM
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Doc
That was definitely not too much detail. I will be going the same route some day with my '67 modular. It only takes the purchase of a C16J or two or a Monarch custom relay to demonstrate the cost effectiveness of a VFD conversion. I can also live without the heat output of the tubes in warm weather. I find the 10EE is an even more effective space heater than my RPC/Deckel FP2NC mill setup.
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Old 09-13-2009, 02:55 PM
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"It only takes the purchase of a C16J or two or a Monarch custom relay to demonstrate the cost effectiveness of a VFD conversion."

A-men.

Definitely not too much detail.
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Old 09-16-2009, 06:59 PM
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Thumbs up Very nice.

I am in the process of doing the same coversion on my "56 10EE and I am very happy to see this here. I am going the flux vector rout but pretty much the same process. This info you are posting couldn't be more valuable. Thanks for all the detail. I'm right behind you on the conversion. I'll probably be needing some help with the electrical eventually so I can still use the stock controls. Thanks again!
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Old 02-07-2010, 04:30 PM
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What is the potential downside regarding harmonics by switching to AC from DC?
Is finish comprimized?
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Old 02-07-2010, 05:09 PM
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What is the potential downside regarding harmonics by switching to AC from DC?
Harmonics???

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Old 02-07-2010, 05:23 PM
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Harmonics from the AC current. Each phase is 120 degrees out from each of the other phases.
DC current is flat and smooth.
I was just wondering if there was any potential loss of finish due to the Frequency of the AC current.
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Old 02-07-2010, 09:21 PM
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I'm not electrically inclined, but I haven't noticed any finish problems with my VFD conversion.
There have been quite a few of these conversions done, and this problem has never been presented.
Harry
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Old 02-07-2010, 09:59 PM
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Possibly in Optics? Dave
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:59 AM
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I was just wondering if there was a DC conversion instead of the VFD change. I have an older machine and I am sure with my luck the old system will not last.

If there were any harmonic resonanace it would probably be in the lower RPM range.
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:06 AM
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which can be resonated through cast Iron? Dave
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:40 AM
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Yes, I have seen it in printing presses.
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