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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    On the other end of this - while I'm not a clouder, my wife decided to run her I-phone through the worsh the other day - just before leaving for a week to Texas on business. She was able to buy a new phone when Sam's Club opened up the next morning and still make her flight, and all of her info was still there. That pc of hardware is her "office".

    The just yesterday her laptop tied up. She loaded it up and headed for our boy's house, where it of course booted up just fine. She now has an external hard drive that automatically updates it'self for that now too....


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    Me thinks you need a PC sitting somewhere in the "Ox compound" set with a wireless link to
    have your own "cloud", and to automatically ghost (or backup) each of your devices.

    Could be this private server farm could also back up all you CAD/CaM files, master tapes, etc.

    And none of it hooked to the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRHMFG
    And I'm sure your office is locked with security cameras in place and computers are logged off with secure password access anytime someone is out of office and prints are shredded when finished.........
    I wonder if anyone uses a bank? Just letting that money out of site ya know....
    But seriously has anyone had actual problems with this or is it just the idea of change?
    I personally have never had a problem with the Cloud but I suspect that may be because I don't use it. If you do a Google search for "Censorship on the Cloud" you will see numerous articles on the topic of censorship. China for example has very strict regulations on what sorts of things may be stored there. While this is only one country, it represents a huge area for cloud issues.

    Amazon, Apple and Google have all caved in to China's demands for censorship forcing them to remove anti-censorship software from their cloud in that country.

    This is an interesting issue, since the whole idea of a Cloud was to make the information on the Cloud worldwide and accessible anywhere. With the idea of censorship looming large, when will it start to be an issue in America's use of the Cloud?

    There are issues of so-called hate speech, nudity, political thought, pornography, even philosophical thought. Will these eventually be censored? Does censorship mean that some fool in a cubicle somewhere is sifting through your documents, drawings, emails, drafts, designs and schematics looking for salacious and unwanted material. You're damn right it does.

    I've sent photos of machinery to my brother and the following week, the photos which were in a "private" email showed up on Google. I've got dozens of photos like that. If they can take them, it means that they have reviewed my personal writings and, having found something that they liked (pretty pictures of a lathe, for example) they take them and publish them.

    I think anyone who uses the Cloud for sensitive material is going to be sorry, sooner or later. Personally, I think that the Cloud is nothing that I need to get involved with. YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman109 View Post
    I personally have never had a problem with the Cloud but I suspect that may be because I don't use it.
    Hear, hear!

    Like avoiding certain male homosexual practices may be "unfairly judgemental" these days, but it does pretty much mean you won't get AIDS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldwrench View Post
    Hear, hear!

    Like avoiding certain male homosexual practices may be "unfairly judgemental" these days, but it does pretty much mean you won't get AIDS...
    I resemble that remark! LOL.

    I go into the two Clouds that were forced on me by Win 10 about once a week. That's MSN and Google. Anything that has been inadvertently stored there gets moved into my 2TB HDD. I also backup into an external 2TB drive about once a month. With that capacity, I hardly need the Cloud.

    If I were running a business with drawings, schematics and other sensitive material, I would be very uneasy with items stored on the Cloud.

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    I will only say this: I've never felt so much better knowing that ALL my data is on the cloud, synchronized on 3 PC's via Microsoft Onedrive (so I can use any offline) and accessible via an app. I'm just a basic user and sync all my data (i.e. you can choose which to sync) but it's so handy to edit and be able to pick up where I left off on another device. The only caveat is that the device you last edited on and pick up on again have to be synced but that's pretty easy to get "dialed in" on. I once updated a document on my desktop, had my laptop "off", went to a client with my laptop, wasn't on their wifi so I didn't have the latest version. Fixed that with a guest wifi connection.

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    You could always save it on on a cloud like say Photo Bucket. and they decide to raise the price in 48 hours. gee I wonder where my files are that were on myspace?
    Good to know that no internet company has ever gone bankrupt with no warning and lots of time for a smooth transfer of your data to another company isn't it?

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    Thank you, Bill D. I was just going to add that little example to this thread. A couple of once-popular music streaming sites come to mind, too.

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    1. If you got terabytes of meaningful engineering data - pdfs, drawings, CAM, photos - then your business is big enough that you should be able to afford server hardware (you can buy good redundant power supply server with live-swap harddisks for 300 dollars).
    2. If you have tons of useless photos and downloaded youtube content then you can as well delete it (or move it to cloud)

    Its really hard to understand how can one be so trusting with sensible data. It has happened countless time when provider has lost user data. Google megaupload (confiscated servers were providing space not only to megaupload but to other clients too, but who cares). Or, look slashdot how Cisco actually lost user data on cloud and this data did not even had possibility for user-side backup. Cisco. Cisco is the BACKBONE of networking and they cannot keep user data.
    All cloud storage providers have people working there, not some kind of ultra-light ultra white ultra sterile spaceship with robots. People are lazy and make mistakes.

    Buy 2 servers, store in separate geographic locations and make daily backups with history - so you could actualy "roll back" file versions - i.e. CAD file... hmm made some changes, everything messed up, name is still ver 1.0 but normal backup lets you see that "ver 1.0" how it was 2 weeks ago. Its quite devastating to save messed up file and let it propagate to backup. So always use backup with "history".


    In the world of cheap, practically unlimited physical storage (look up TB price !) and fast computers, the cloud is just like stuffing donkey in your SUV for "backup" and "redundancy". All you get is less comfort and more crap.

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    The bottom line is your data is never safe as long as your computer is connected to the internet. While you are typing away on this forum someone could be into your system for what ever they want. Do you know how I know my data is safe? The computer that I use for design and CAM work and where all my part files are stored (and backed up on CD's) is not connected to the internet at all, I have a separate system for just he internet stuff.

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    Wild West - go read search for "CIA attacks on air gapped networks" - set aside views of safety (though your practices surely do help) - and think about what to do next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan_machine View Post
    Wild West - go read search for "CIA attacks on air gapped networks" - set aside views of safety (though your practices surely do help) - and think about what to do next.
    Yeah, I read it. Interesting. But, if the CIA wants to look at my parts file then all the have to do is give me a call. I remember the Iran deal. So now they are going after us low grade schmucks if they want to? I'm glad I'm 67, I won't have to hang around for 1984.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild West View Post
    The bottom line is your data is never safe as long as your computer is connected to the internet. While you are typing away on this forum someone could be into your system for what ever they want. Do you know how I know my data is safe? The computer that I use for design and CAM work and where all my part files are stored (and backed up on CD's) is not connected to the internet at all, I have a separate system for just he internet stuff.
    Thats true. In our factory we have physical cap between "connected" and "factory internal". Data is copied with USB stick. Not difficult and actually its the only way to maintain internal network which has machines using windows 95 and even older stuff.

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    #90 b_m

    Nothing new there, apart from some comments :-
    a) Doubting the effectiveness of the CIA methodology.
    b) Suggesting that it is disinformation.
    c) Providing some thwarting suggestions.

    I would still be more worried about Tempest.

    I expect dcsipo will be along shortly with his eloquent impersonation of someone concerned with the well-being of our data. Whist giving me the impression he is a NSA mole.


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