Thread: Apology to Ox

Originally Posted by Dave K

Anyone else find it odd, in a funny sort of way, that a thread apologizing to Ox, turns into an argument about whether or not people swear in shops?
It really must be getting slow out there.

The apology was made so we moved on

Originally Posted by Dave K

Anyone else find it odd, in a funny sort of way, that a thread apologizing to Ox, turns into an argument about whether or not people swear in shops?
It really must be getting slow out there.

Gordon is right. It seems to be the way most threads go. After the initial subject gets settled, something different is more exciting..

Yeah, I know. Just an observation.

I Post like my 8 year old daughter will see what I am writing...or for that matter your 8 year old daughter will see.

Why would she see it, why would she be on a machinist site...no reason except I frequent the forum and occasionally step away from the computer whether at home or when she comes in for a visit...I have no idea what goes on in other homes...but that is what I DO.

Cursing gets nothing more or less across in a conversation. Would it be the end all if an 8 year old hears or reads foul language...doubt it...I am sure she hears it during the day at school. But she will rarely hear me toss around foul language...it's just not needed and not in my daily vocabulary.

Say what you will.

I liked this forum as a way to get help and insight...

Now its like a bunch or rowdy kids antagonizing each other.



Have fun...

Originally Posted by SIM

I Post like my 8 year old daughter will see what I am writing...or for that matter your 8 year old daughter will see.

Why would she see it, why would she be on a machinist site...no reason except I frequent the forum and occasionally step away from the computer whether at home or when she comes in for a visit...I have no idea what goes on in other homes...but that is what I DO.

Cursing gets nothing more or less across in a conversation. Would it be the end all if an 8 year old hears or reads foul language...doubt it...I am sure she hears it during the day at school. But she will rarely hear me toss around foul language...it's just not needed and not in my daily vocabulary.

Say what you will.

I liked this forum as a way to get help and insight...

Now its like a bunch or rowdy kids antagonizing each other.



Have fun...

Not to pick on you specifically, but you mentioned kids and foul language.

My sister-in-law had a different word for swear words, foul language, etc when her kids started swearing. She called them 'adult' words instead of 'bad' words. Any kid naturally wants to push their parent's buttons by being 'bad'. Using 'bad' words makes that button real easy to push.

"Are you an adult? When you grow up, then you may use adult words."

When they changed the meaning to 'adult' words, it took ALL the fun away from the kids to say swear words almost instantly. No kid wants to be an adult.

Also, if their dad occasionally slipped and said shit or something else, the kids no longer look at their dad thinking he is being 'bad'. Dad said an adult word. Big deal. Just to clarify, he is not directing the swear words at the kids. Wrench slips off a bolt and bust a knuckle--Shit! People should not use swear words directed at their kids--ever.

When my own kid in 1st grade came home from school with a note he started swearing, I also used the term adult words vs bad words. He also instantly stopped swearing from then on because by changing the meaning, I took away the reason for him to swear. It works.

I might let a shit slip out here and there around my kid, but I do not go around dropping F-bombs every 5 minutes either.

Again, there IS a difference between swearing and launching a personal attack. Seems like many people seem to think they are the same. My opinion, they are vastly different.

[QUOTE=Philabuster;1856204]

I might let a shit slip out here and there around my kid, but I do not go around dropping F-bombs every 5 minutes either.

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Can't resist it. I for one hope you are referring to oral language and not physical "happenings"

Gordon

Once upon a time, there was an officer of the Royal Navy named Captain Bravado who showed no fear when facing his enemies. One day, while sailing the Seven Seas, his lookout spotted a pirate ship approaching, and the crew became frantic. Captain Bravado bellowed, "Bring me my red shirt!"

The first mate quickly retrieved the captain's red shirt, and while wearing the brightly colored frock, the Captain led his crew into battle and defeated the mighty pirates. That evening, all the men sat around on deck recounting the triumph of earlier. One of them asked the Captain, "Sir, why did you call for your red shirt before battle?"

The Captain replied, "If I were to be wounded in the attack, the shirt would not show my blood. Thus, you men would continue to fight, unafraid." All of the men sat and marveled at the courage of such a manly man's man. As dawn came the next morning, the lookout spotted not one, not two, but TEN pirate ships approaching. The crew stared in worshipful silence at the Captain and waited for his usual orders.

Captain Bravado gazed with steely eyes upon the vast armada arrayed against his ship, and without fear, turned and calmly shouted, "Get me my brown pants."

Gordon, I like your stories. Are you borrowing from Hans Christian Andersen ?
Regards,
John

Originally Posted by SIM

Cursing gets nothing more or less across in a conversation.

Mmmmmm .... It can make a benchmark as to how "serious" or "mad" that a person is.

"Better make DAMN sure that feature is right before it goes out the door!"
(Might be an example of covering both in one fell swoop?)

Originally Posted by SIM

I liked this forum as a way to get help and insight...

Now its like a bunch or rowdy kids antagonizing each other.



Have fun...

For the most part, I feel that I have "outgrown" that part of life. It seems to me mostly to be a young person trying to be taken seriously? (young adult)

Some of us may simply still be stuck in that spot in our life?

Also - goes with the territory of those who are always pissed about something, anything, EVERYTHING!
(union employee?)

Originally Posted by Philabuster

"Are you an adult? When you grow up, then you may use adult words."

When they changed the meaning to 'adult' words, it took ALL the fun away from the kids to say swear words almost instantly. No kid wants to be an adult.

I was sick and tired of being a kid!
I was all about running the biggest machine(s) that I could since I can remember.
Been running big farm equipment (for the time anyway) since I was 10 or under.
Was always trying to prove myself able.

Those kids are using those werds where you aint listening now.




If it were up to me, I would ban George as well as he constantly uses bad language and in this case more then ever. Likely has more to doo with non-conformance, which I CAN appreciate, but he is always lookin' fer a fight.

Once again - yet another member that has never had anything positive to add to the site that I can ever think of. Once again - yet another member that is posting on the Owner and Managers board that has nothing to doo with either. Once again - yet another meber that is only lookin' for a rise from the public around him.

Does not have a post related to cutting tools, set-ups, machines, or even office type subjects under their belt.
And if they doo - it must have been a mistake as they don't seem to repeat it.

Originally Posted by gmatov

What a bunch of pussies you younger people are. I think the older posters would think I am more or less right.

George

I will agree that it seems that way.
I hear the younger guys these days don't even beat there wives! ??? *




*...except for when they really doo need it of course...

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Spent the groceries and half the rent
Woman sitt'n home with a month old chile'
Ox

Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke

Can't resist it. I for one hope you are referring to oral language and not physical "happenings"

Gordon

Both. Shit happens--especially when I eat too many tacos.

RJ was a class act as moderator and his apology further evidence in favor of the man. I suspect Ox be a fine moderator in his straightforward way. Thank you, both.

Personally, I think politics (perhaps best kept over in the Manufacturing in . . . sub-forum) makes perfect sense as a topic. Politics affects the cost of materials (consider Goldman gaming the cost of aluminum), the skills of labor, the ease of financing equipment, unfair competition, and just about everything else in the manufacturing world. We ought to be informed about the choices.

I still remember sitting it our Ford manufacturing plant management meeting for the first time, fresh out of grad school. The QC manager (himself pretty much a jerk) was presenting a long series of reports on the crappy quality in the night shift. The production manager responded "why don't you suck my dick." Turns out, we never got back to dealing with the quality problem. For some folks swearing is reserved to ease the pain of a busted thumb (PS -- research shows it actually works). For some it's a replacement for adjectives and adverbs. For still others, it's just a way to avoid the bother of examining their own behavior.

Originally Posted by Ox

B) If otherwise responsible adults could refrain from feeding Trolls

There would be very little need for a moderator at all.

Why are the trolls (specifically those named George) allowed to remain here?

Kant answer that one.

Not up to me, or any other Mod AFAIK.


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I am Ox and I approve this h'yah post!

Originally Posted by jimfnd

Why are the trolls (specifically those named George) allowed to remain here?

'cause they make the rest of us look good?

Before anyone else writes it I'd better add - "Even me"

Gordon

Originally Posted by Philabuster

Not to pick on you specifically, but you mentioned kids and foul language.

My sister-in-law had a different word for swear words, foul language, etc when her kids started swearing. She called them 'adult' words instead of 'bad' words. Any kid naturally wants to push their parent's buttons by being 'bad'. Using 'bad' words makes that button real easy to push.

"Are you an adult? When you grow up, then you may use adult words."

When they changed the meaning to 'adult' words, it took ALL the fun away from the kids to say swear words almost instantly. No kid wants to be an adult.

Also, if their dad occasionally slipped and said shit or something else, the kids no longer look at their dad thinking he is being 'bad'. Dad said an adult word. Big deal. Just to clarify, he is not directing the swear words at the kids. Wrench slips off a bolt and bust a knuckle--Shit! People should not use swear words directed at their kids--ever.

When my own kid in 1st grade came home from school with a note he started swearing, I also used the term adult words vs bad words. He also instantly stopped swearing from then on because by changing the meaning, I took away the reason for him to swear. It works.

I might let a shit slip out here and there around my kid, but I do not go around dropping F-bombs every 5 minutes either.

Again, there IS a difference between swearing and launching a personal attack. Seems like many people seem to think they are the same. My opinion, they are vastly different.

An interesting point...something to consider.
But for me...I refrain from using swear words and hopefully from my example it registers in my children's heads. Issue has not really come up yet as they know I do not like it. Not to say I do not let one slip here and there.

Saying it's an adult word...then it makes it fine to use when your an adult. Personally I find them either rude or another way for some to say nothing using more words. But that is me. Then you have the issue of kids trying to emulate adults...its not what I want them to aspire to. I don't correct others...I just do what I do.

Originally Posted by Ox

Mmmmmm .... It can make a benchmark as to how "serious" or "mad" that a person is.

"Better make DAMN sure that feature is right before it goes out the door!"
(Might be an example of covering both in one fell swoop?)

Ox

True it can be a benchmark. Can't say I have tossed my share around...

But when every F'en other F'n word is the F'n, "F" word...you sort of lose that benchmark, goes with the other curses as well.
Not my house, I just visit and won't tell anyone how to run theirs. Not even sure I run mine the right way...

Originally Posted by Ox

Kant answer that one.

Not up to me, or any other Mod AFAIK.


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I am Ox and I approve this h'yah post!

I asked Don once, if I ban someone can it apply to just this forum and not the others. He didn't know offhand, and never did get back with an answer..

It would be nice to have a definitive answer to that question.

Originally Posted by rj newbould

I asked Don once, if I ban someone can it apply to just this forum and not the others. He didn't know offhand, and never did get back with an answer..

It would be nice to have a definitive answer to that question.

I don't know about banning but a moderator can simply delete a post or lock a thread. If that happened to anyone continuously (see George I didn't mention you personally ) I'm sure the person would take a hint.

Gordon

I banned a few spammers.

Originally Posted by rj newbould

I asked Don once, if I ban someone can it apply to just this forum and not the others. He didn't know offhand, and never did get back with an answer..

It would be nice to have a definitive answer to that question.

RJ, you were entrusted with some power over this forum. I would assume that part of that came from respect from Don and others about your fairness and judgement.

Running a forum is like raising kids. You want to given them an amount of freedom, but when they get out of line, sometimes they have to be disciplined. If the kid down the street, or from another neighborhood, is behaving badly, you tell him he's not welcome until he cleans up his act. If he won't, then ban him permanently.

Chances are that if a person is unruly here, he is unruly elsewhere. RJ, I saw you in action about a year ago with a person that was getting out of line, you told him he was messing with his membership. That issue went away, either the person went somewhere else or cleaned up his act. In either case the problem was solved.

If a person gets banned, let them make a case to be let back in. This is not a dues paying membership, it's free so long as you obey the rules.

Frankly, I have yet to see a situation that required offensive language to make a point. In fact, the use of such language gives me an impression of the character of the person.

Tom

Originally Posted by TDegenhart

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Frankly, I have yet to see a situation that required offensive language to make a point. In fact, the use of such language gives me an impression of the character of the person.

Tom

I agree 110% with that, and the impression is not a good one.

disclaimer : I'm not tryin to tell anyone how to do things here

In my experience as a mod on another board (non machining) the Admin designates power to the mods . as far as spammers , we are supposed to ban/delete on the spot . rowdy members are given 3 warnings before all mods review and vote to ban . rather it be indefinitely or just a little time off . As Ox said , we should not need to be moderated like babies . You 'd be surprised how a 70 YO can act as a teen goin through puberty I do apologize for my last post in this thread that guy just got under my skin