Thread: NEC (Misc. not elsewhere classified)

Originally Posted by ihbuilder

Gordon you'll be waiting a long time for a vid . tooling always seem to take the front seat .

No problem. The bottom picure is more than enough as I can use my imagination

convoy Song lyrics.wmv - YouTube

Originally Posted by ihbuilder

Gordon , there's a guy in Japan that built that truck from scratch

I was certain it was American built
I'm glad I didn't bet

Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke

Here's my first video but not nearly as professional as the others in here. I'm hoping this old dog can learn new tricks

FMS-DK // www.FMS-DK.com - YouTube

The set up was fun to make but took a few attempts first.

A bit more.

It is interesting to note that at each of the 4 measurement steps on each of the 5 calipers the size displayed is the same.

The film can be improved and I intend doing that

BTW I wouldn't advise anyone to try doing that by holding a caliper Especially the depth rod could be dangerous if the caliper couldn't be held and give a nasty scratch or cut.

Originally Posted by ihbuilder

No no , the real 1 is american this guy but the rc model of it .

I wasn't in doubt that the truck was American. It was that a guy from Japan had built the model that surprised me

They (Japan) must make them but I don't think I've ever heard of or seen a Japanese (big) truck.

I tried looking for the steering wheel. If it had been Japanese and driven in Japan then the steering wheel would have been on the right hand side

Our national election finished today at 8 pm. The votes have been counted up (midnight) and we're taking a left turn with our new prime minister and it's a female (a first time here).

I hope I'm wrong but it looks as if we're in for a bumpy ride until the next elecion. We are fortunate with one thing
The prime minister can declare an election at any time so I don't think we'll have to wait 4 years for the next one - assuming Denmark isn't bankrupt by then.

Helle Thorning-Schmidt's speech to Labour Conference 2010 - YouTube

I've just updated and shortened my video.
The new (improved?) one can be seen here:

Caliper measurement pressure // www.FMS-DK.com - YouTube

Older Men Scam


Women often receive warnings about protecting themselves at the mall and in dark parking lots, etc. This is the first warning I have seen for men. I wanted to pass it on in case you haven't heard about it. A 'heads up' for those men who may be regular customers at Lowe's, Home Depot, Costco, or even Wal-Mart. This one caught me totally by surprise.

Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping. Simply going out to get supplies has turned out to be quite traumatic. Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you or your friends.

Here's how the scam works: Two nice looking, college-age girls will come over to your car or truck as you are packing your purchases into your vehicle. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex, with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts. (It's impossible not to look). When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say 'No' but instead ask for a ride to McDonald's.

You agree and they climb into the vehicle. On the way, they start undressing. Then one of them starts crawling all over you, while the other one steals your wallet.

I had my wallet stolen July 4th, 9th, 10th, twice on the 15th, again on the 17th, 20th, 24th, and the 29th. Also Aug. 1st, 4th, 8th, twice on the 16th & 17th, and very likely again this upcoming weekend.

So tell your friends to be careful. What a horrible way to take advantage of us older guys. Warn your friends to be vigilant! Wal-Mart has wallets on sale for $2.99 each. I found even cheaper ones for $.99 at the Dollar Store and bought them out in three of their stores.

Also, you never get to eat at McDonald's. I've already lost 11 pounds just running back and forth from Lowe's, to Home Depot, to Wal-Mart.

So please, send this on to all the older men that you know and warn them to be on the lookout for this scam. (The best times are just before lunch and around 4:30 in the afternoon.)


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Originally Posted by tjd10684

Gordan I like your little set up there i wish i had a use for something like that. Anyhow you might want to put some music in the video and remove the sound from the original (the motor noise) listening to that motor for four min is kinda like nails on a chalk board. and 4 min is a little long to convey your message 2 spins of each caliper would be more than enough. The other thing i might do is put your little theory or whatever you want to call it on its own before the action of the video actually starts. to be extra clear about the advantage of your little gizmo you should show an action shot of the problem your describing like show your self varying the pressure on the caliper and the dimension changing. that would give a casual observer (or bean counter) a better idea of what your system actually eliminates.

Thanks for the advice

I can't imagine the set up (rotation) being used in real life and it is to show that even after what can be described as rough treatment, it does show the same (although not always identical) at each number - 12, 3, 6 and 9 for each of the 5 calipers.

A caliper pressure device isn't intended for continuous use. It is useful in these situations:

1) Measuring many identical components at the same dimension
2) Calibration of a caliper so all can do it
3) Training a newbie in applying a correct measurement pressure
4) when measuring with a caliper that has long legs or attachments
and finally, and perhaps most importantly
5) when you want to be sure you aren't personally influencing the measurement result.

The sound is annoying but can be turned down

The bottom line is that I certainly don't disagree with what you wrote and I will get better in time At least I hope so LOL

Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke

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3) Training a newbie in applying a correct measurement pressure.

This one I don't understand.

If your device applies the pressure, via a spring setup or whatever, how will a newbie get the "feel" of how much pressure to use? Your device, as I understand it, provides a "cushion" between the operator's hand and the actual pressure applied to the jaws.

Originally Posted by rj newbould

This one I don't understand.

If your device applies the pressure, via a spring setup or whatever, how will a newbie get the "feel" of how much pressure to use? Your device, as I understand it, provides a "cushion" between the operator's hand and the actual pressure applied to the jaws.

If that's the only bit in what I wrote that you don't "get" then I'm a happy man

Some companies (and they even have it written into their quality manuals) don't allow a caliper to be used for any dimension with a tolerance 0.4mm/0.015" or less.

I often wondered about that until I was told that years ago a caliper and a component was passed around a large group of people to measure. Several of them had never used or held a caliper in their life. The measurement results obtained varied by 0.4mm!

I've tried something similar at a couple of technical schools where the students both know and have used a caliper.
I used a digital caliper and a component and asked that each (there were about 15 students) to measure the component.
All except two were within 0.02mm/0.001". Two were twice that out!

I then repeated it using a pressure evice on the caliper. If I remember correctly only three didn't get exactly the same as the others and were only off by 0.01mm/0.0005"

Even two identical makes and types of calipers don't slide the same and often when switching from one caliper to another can affect your result.

If we forget about my caliper attachments then try getting a few people to measure the same thing with long legged calipers (brake drum or internal groove calipers for example) and see the difference in results.

Mitutoyo (as do a few others) have special digital calipers with a permanent pressure device attached. Mitutoyo No. 573-182 costs around $600 and 573-191 around $1,350
I'm assuming they woudn't make them if they couldn't sell them. BTW neither of those two calipers are more accurate than any standard caliper.

I'm certain you have at least one digital caliper. Next time you're with somone that's never held one show him/her once how to use it and then let them try for themselves. Let me know what happens and also if you both get the same result

With a pressure device on a digital caliper I could get 1st graders to all measure accurately first time.

That still doesn't address how your pressure device can teach a newbie how much pressure to apply.

I can see how it could remove the "feel" to get a better measurement from a newbie, but how does that help the newbie obtain that "feel" when using a caliper without the pressure device?

By removing, or lessening the need to apply correct pressure, the newbie cannot learn how much pressure to apply without your device. The only way a newbie can learn that feel is to use a standard caliper to measure a known dimension until he gets consistent proper pressure.

Originally Posted by rj newbould

That still doesn't address how your pressure device can teach a newbie how much pressure to apply.

I can see how it could remove the "feel" to get a better measurement from a newbie, but how does that help the newbie obtain that "feel" when using a caliper without the pressure device?

By removing, or lessening the need to apply correct pressure, the newbie cannot learn how much pressure to apply without your device. The only way a newbie can learn that feel is to use a standard caliper to measure a known dimension until he gets consistent proper pressure.

You've probably used a caliper for as long as you can remember Back in those days it was probably a vernier and learning how to read the lines on one of those took more than a few minutes. Then came the ones with a dial and then calipers entered the digital age.

On a digital caliper, for the first time, the measurement result could be seen at a glance and, depending on how it was held and pushed, the numbers could easilly jump.

Give a newbie a digital caliper and a component with a known measurement and what you'll get is known as a "sympathy" measurenent. You know what you're looking for so you keep going until you achieve it.

A digital caliper is "allowed" an innacuracy of 0.02mm/0.001" up to 100mm/4".
If you know the size you're looking for then you apply the pressure necessary to hit the target. That does NOT mean you are measuring correctly - just that you're arriving at the right result by "cheating". It's all a question of knowing what the caliper does show when the right amount of pressure is applied. My personal opinion is that a sensible measurement pressure for a digital caliper is very close to 5N. I've never yet seen any national or international standard that gives a specific measurement pressure for a caliper. Look at a catalogue for measuring equipment and you'll see that most micrometers state 5-10N (with the ratchet) and indicator dials around 2N.

When you get the hang of it then it is esy to measure accurately with a digital caliper so, as I've mentioned, a pressure device isn't intended for continuous use. Back in the days when I was quality manager I wish that the guys that had to measure dozens and hundreds of components could have had one as it isn't easy measuring with the same pressure continuously.

I think part of your "problem" is that you're looking at this as an old professional but the things you today find as easy as falling off a log weren't always that easy. Could you be sure you're putting the correct air pressure in your tires without reading the psi gage? Hmmm, how accurate are those gages anyway?

Use a pressure device with a caliper on a gage block and you know how accurate your caliper is. After that it's a question of learning how to measure accurately with your caliper.

Phew, quite a speech for a "simple" question

The next two videos I intend doing are:

Measuring external threads

Measuring internal thread

I'll learn from my mistakes - I hope

I've claimed for years that the thread diameter (major, pitch and minor) doesn't exist I can't measure with the two following exceptions:

Pitches finer than 0.5mm/48 TPI

Internal threads smaller the 6mm/1/4".

Let's see if I can put my money where my mouth is LOL

Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke

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Phew, quite a speech for a "simple" question

That's because you didn't answer the question, you spoke of many other things instead.

Since your device removes the "feel", how is a newbie going to develop that feel by using it?

Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke
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3) Training a newbie in applying a correct measurement pressure.

The reason I'm pressing that is because IMO you are making an invalid claim with your #3. Invalid claims tend to lessen credibility of the whole. Your device is good as a whole and doesn't need an invalid claim that could lessen credibility.

It's a marketing thing...

Originally Posted by kpotter

The guy lives in the alley behind the shop I went to mcdonalds one day for lunch and bought an extra value meal and when I got back I gave it to him. I asked if he needed work he told me yes I said I could use some help sweeping it took 30 minutes to sweep the shop I gave him 10 bucks. He comes in almost everyday at 5 and sweeps up the chips and I give him 10 bucks. I hope that clarifies the situation. I hope I am not abusing him I dont have a safe shop at least not by osha standards my machines are old. I think that the cost of getting my shop up to standards is more than I can afford. I guess I could give him vacation pay for when I go on vacation.

I'd say that makes you a damn decent man, KPotter.

I'd daresay that some on here would accuse you of providing this man with a crutch..."you're helping him support his drug/alcohol habit"..."as long as you give him $10 for 30mins work, he'll never want to become a 'useful member of society' and get off the streets".

Sometimes you just gotta do what feels right to you. I think that guy & you both feel pretty good about the arrangement.

Originally Posted by rj newbould

That's because you didn't answer the question, you spoke of many other things instead.

Since your device removes the "feel", how is a newbie going to develop that feel by using it?

I believe I did answer the question. If you didn't "get it" then it might be because you haven't tried the "with and without" bit

The reason I'm pressing that is because IMO you are making an invalid claim with your #3. Invalid claims tend to lessen credibility of the whole. Your device is good as a whole and doesn't need an invalid claim that could lessen credibility.

It's a marketing thing...

The bottom line is that you expressed an opinion, asked a question and I answered as best as I felt I could. I sometimes feel if you wrote my reply for me I could tell you if I agreed with it or not

The "proof of the pudding" is often in the eating and not so much the sniffing although if it smells and tastes good then that's best.

KPotter...I am going to try to articulate my intuitive grasp on why your video marketing works for you.

All too many companies rely on "sizzle" to sell their products...this is fine for many mass-produced goods, but relies on an overt psychological manipulation to create.

You're capitalizing on a subtle, more human form of that. Many, if not most of your goods are sold to individuals working an individual craft.

By showing your methods and yourself at work, you are personalizing the message.

I think your videos would have much less of an emotional response by your customers if you were to focus on whiz-bang CNCs knocking out your product like so much consumer crap. There's no "soul" to that. It's dehumanizing in many ways.

I think your customers like to connect with you on a visceral and subtantive level. It's a huge draw for craftsmen to identify with others in a world that focuses less and less on the humanism that actually drives it.

I applaud your work, your efforts and your product. It truly is a beautiful thing that is lacking in today's world. I wish you continued success and hope your niche is bountiful in the future.

Originally Posted by thruthefence

Ya know, it's not a damn Zen Tea Ceremony;

It's making a product that "someone" wants, or needs, more then the n dollars they have in their pocket, that equals the n dollars you, the maker, is asking for it.

sheesh!

Pomp & circumstance is great for $10,000 a plate fund-raising dinners, or televised events with carefully choreographed music & fireworks...but god forbid anybody develop a sentiment for the craftsman and his wares.

Sometimes I wonder if the common man isn't more of a threat to his neighbors than the wealthy.

Originally Posted by rj newbould

I'm glad you included shareholders and investors. So many people give a bum rap to shareholders (stockholders) and they don't take into consideration that if not for stockholders most large corporations would not exist.

Shareholders would do the world & themselves a favor if they aimed for long-term growth & stability, rather than quarter to quarter profits. Afterall, many pension funds & 401k's are comprised of portfolios that invest in those stocks. Yet I don't see the rich losing even a percentage as much as Average Joe Sixpack when Wall Street does it's daily gyrations.

That being said, I'm still not convinced that large corporations are a necessity or a blessing. I cannot think of ONE thing that a large corporation can do better than a co-op or government backed research facility.

Originally Posted by BadBeta

To most shareholders in this world it is not about quarter to quarter profits. For stock listed companies, and short term speculators, that do however seem to be the case, and yes I too think such short term focus is harmful to society as a whole.

I wish more boards and CEOs would have the grace and wisdom to look beyond maximizing their short term options, and equally that the boards and owners don't give such counterproductive mechanisms in the first place.

One thing even large corporations do better than most co-ops and government setups is innovation, which is a crucial part. We have a saying here in Norway loosely translated to "Nothing new has ever come from a comitee". Of course small companies tend to innovate even better, but usually also lack the resources to follow through with anything really big.

This is what separates common stock from blue-chip stock & majority stockholders. Common stock votes by proxy, whether you recieve a ballot or not...just like the USAs electoral college for Presidential elections. If a majority of the minor stock votes one way, ALL votes are counted toward it. This isn't a case of 51%, this can be as little as 20% if several options are on the ballot. Blue-chip stock has a benefit of voting at 10:1 or even 1000:1 compared to common stock. Majority stockholders vote as a block as a rule. There is no democracy in the board room.

As to co-ops & goverment backed R&D, who do you think they benefit? Government R&D benefits private companies by using tax dollars to "boot-strap" them. Co-ops are comprised of small companies...small companies out innovate large corporations almost 20:1, the public rarely realizes this because profitable innovations launch small companies into large ones virtually overnight, usually on the heels of an IPO release.