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motion guru · #1 10-28-2009, 05:56 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a3.4cGvDS5qw

I see more frequent flyer miles and a possible office opening up in South Carolina . . . kinda funny, I started my company with a big contract in Hartsville, SC

That is two of my customers moving from the NW to the Carolinas - funny thing is we are doing more for Freightliner now than we did when they were a 15 minute drive away.

Mebfab · #2 10-28-2009, 06:13 PM

I am in NC but might be able to help with installation work or such.

Milacron · #3 10-28-2009, 06:30 PM

Yes, good news, just 70 miles from me.

But why do people say "The Carolinas" when it's just South Carolina ? North Charleston is nowhere near the NC border either....and way beyond the manufacturing hub of NC, which is more in the Charlotte area.

I'm originally from NC and can tell you SC has no more in common with NC than SC has with GA. So why not the Carolgeorgias or something equally idiotic ?

Mebfab · #4 10-28-2009, 06:43 PM

Always seemed to me that more people (or advertisers) reffered to south carolina as the carolinas.

motion guru · #5 10-28-2009, 07:37 PM

Heck, anything south east of the Columbia river is Florida . . . I thought I was being generous to at least differentiate "the Carolinas".

Once you have to get on a plane - it all starts running together.

Mud · #6 10-28-2009, 08:44 PM

I think The Carolinas is a region, like New England, which is very diverse, or the NY-DC corridor, or the Northwest, the Dakotas, the Great Lakes States, Pennsyltucky, the Midwest, the Plains States, etc.

Anyway that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Ries · #7 10-28-2009, 09:28 PM

In the last 15 years or so, Boeing has shed 100,000 jobs in the Seattle area.
So this 3800 isnt going to make a huge, immediate impact.
But it will probably be just the beginning, and whatever it does to our manufacturing base up here, it wont be good.

As a small metalworker here, I get a bit of a free ride from Boeing- various sandblasters, powdercoaters, machine shops, suppliers, and subs are all making most of their income from Boeing, but are here for my convenience too.
So if Boeing left, even if I do no direct work for them, I would certainly feel it.

I am told that labor costs are about 7% of an average Boeing plane- so my guess is the labor savings, in and of themselves, will be some small fraction of 1%. But the risk of strikes, and elimination of that risk, is certainly worth more than that.

So far, Boeing's grand gamble of decentralisation, of using multiple lower cost suppliers and scattered plants does not seem to be paying off. But it is possible that southern factories can pay off better than Italian subcontractors do- certainly Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, and Nissan all make very high quality products in southern plants, at a considerable saving over northern, older, unionized locations, which, nowadays, Everett and Renton are.

Milacron · #8 10-29-2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mud

I think The Carolinas is a region, like New England, which is very diverse, or the NY-DC corridor, or the Northwest, the Dakotas, the Great Lakes States, Pennsyltucky, the Midwest, the Plains States, etc.

Anyway that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

So Virginia and Georgia are in "The Carolinas" ?

"New England" "Midwest", etc. encompass many states, so it's regional aspect makes perfect sense. If "The Carolinas" encompass just two states, makes no sense to me to make it a "region", esp when the two states don't have all that much in common other than the name "Carolina". Geographly, considering things like mountains and coastlines, SC has more in common with GA than it does NC.

SC, GA and North FL seem more like a "region" to me. But then conjuring up a cute name to describe it is not so easy as "The Carolinas" I guess.

Mud · #9 10-29-2009, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Milacron

So Virginia and Georgia are in "The Carolinas" ?

No, they are in the South. I never said it made sense.

Milacron · #10 10-29-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mud

No, they are in the South. I never said it made sense.

Speaking of "regions" and cute names, the coast area of GA from about Savannah to just north of Brunswick is known as "The Coastal Empire"...south of that it becomes "The Golden Isles" I think. Who thinks up this stuff ?

Another mystery is why do folks love to group cities into triangles ? The "Triad" area of Winston Salem/Greensboro/High Point in NC is one. Many more "triangles" and "tri cities" thru out the country.

jim rozen · #11 10-29-2009, 07:17 AM

Yeah, you don't hear much about "the virginias" eh?

Or, "the dakotas?"

There sure are a lot of tri-state areas around, that's
for sure. Probably humans can only thing of places
about 'so' big, after that the MEGO factor takes over.

Jim

Joe788 · #12 10-29-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Milacron

So Virginia and Georgia are in "The Carolinas" ?

"New England" "Midwest", etc. encompass many states, so it's regional aspect makes perfect sense. If "The Carolinas" encompass just two states, makes no sense to me to make it a "region", esp when the two states don't have all that much in common other than the name "Carolina". Geographly, considering things like mountains and coastlines, SC has more in common with GA than it does NC.

SC, GA and North FL seem more like a "region" to me. But then conjuring up a cute name to describe it is not so easy as "The Carolinas" I guess.

Weird how that works, eh? Just like the "southwest" encompassing only Arizona and New Mexico.

Ox · #13 10-29-2009, 09:59 AM

AFAI am concerned:

VerHampshire
Carolinas
Dakotas
MinniConsin
and all them dinky Maritime states (Provinces too for that matter)

If you don't have much contact in the areas it is hard to keep strait which state Charlotte and Fargo are in.

Say Hey when you go over MG!

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Think Snow Eh!
Ox

thruthefence · #14 10-29-2009, 10:18 AM

How about "The Confederacy"?

Nah,

Might get George torqued up to tight.

Boris · #15 10-29-2009, 11:32 AM

ya all just a bunch a rebelious colonists to me

Just wait until those damned frenchies have left and we raise another army from a friendly bunch of german and dutch mercenaries and we'll be back

Boris

PS was'nt this orginally about aircraft production moving from the west coast to the east coast?

thall · #16 10-29-2009, 11:50 AM

BOAH fort and BEEU fort

That's one difference

also vinegar base and mustard base BBQ sauce

david n · #17 10-29-2009, 12:03 PM

Oofta! You guys are all nuts. Sure U betcha. Everyvun nort, sout, east, and vest of MN have dem darn silly accents yah no.

Mud · #18 10-29-2009, 12:09 PM

Git the heck aught naw!

motion guru · #19 10-29-2009, 12:31 PM

reading Milacron's post made me think of this cartoon . . .

jlegge · #20 10-29-2009, 02:44 PM

When Boeing moved their HQ to Chicago, they also vowed not to make any new aircraft in Washington State. They were tired of being the state's cash cow. It looks to me that they mean what they said. Unfortunately, they are not just moving their prodcution to SC or other states, most of it is going outside of the U.S.

I was reading about the thrid go-around for the USAF Tanker war, and that Northrop/EDS actually will have more US content in their offering then Boeing will.

John