older 13" south bend, what year?

leod · Oct 18, 2015

Just picked this up on craigslist for $800, which, if any of you has tried to buy machinery in Oregon knows is a great price. Mostly scrap and atlas (same thing) here. I am not going to keep it, so I really don't want to spend the money to get the info on it from south bend. Any of you know about what year it is? I have the top mounted motor and pulleys off as I just moved it. This thing is in better shape than I have ever seen an old south bend in. The ways are almost perfect.

kitno455 · Oct 18, 2015

1920's - get the serial number off the top side of the bed, tailstock end, and we can date it more accurately.

allan

packardbill · Oct 18, 2015

"The ways are almost perfect."

You bought a lathe with "almost perfect ways" and you're not going to keep it? Why then did you buy it?

leod · Oct 18, 2015

It is kinda hard to justify having a 16" and a 13" in my garage. I bought it because it was $975 and I offered him $800 thinking that he would not agree to it. Ever do that? It is so clean though, I can clean it for painting in about two days, then flip it for $1200. I got a lot of nice extras with it too. Including two vises, the original tool post and a quick change set. It has the taper attachment too. Serial # is 33381

jhruska · Oct 19, 2015

Did it have a follow rest?
Just two bolts for each spindle cap, like mine a '39.

kitno455 · Oct 19, 2015

leod said:
Serial # is 33381

Late 1926, early 1927, Series O.

allan

iwananew10K · Oct 19, 2015

Strip and paint?? That's a heck of a lot of work for 400 bucks.
If you are wanting to flip it I would suggest a simple cleaning in the critcal areas,and put it in running condition. Nothing more.

Anyone that wants that lathe would likely be buying it as a refurbishment project and would want to do it theirself.

leod · Oct 19, 2015

I got three Jacobs brand 3/4 heavy duty drill chucks and two 1/2 ones that I needed. I have also learned that it does not matter on cars or machines how many extras you have with it, they still sell for the same. Therefor I shall be committing the sin of selling the taper attachment, steady rest, follower rest,and four jaw chuck separately.

jhruska · Oct 19, 2015

pm sent on the follow rest.
John

kitno455 · Oct 20, 2015

That taper attachment might not interchange with any of the later SB lathes. I would leave it.

allan

iwananew10K · Oct 20, 2015

leod said:
I got three Jacobs brand 3/4 heavy duty drill chucks and two 1/2 ones that I needed. I have also learned that it does not matter on cars or machines how many extras you have with it, they still sell for the same. Therefor I shall be committing the sin of selling the taper attachment, steady rest, follower rest,and four jaw chuck separately.

Not true in the case of unobtanium antiques, it's completeness that makes them appealing.

Strip away all its goodies and you are left with scrap iron no one wants.

k3vyl · Oct 22, 2015

I would say the same as Iwanna said. The completeness of an old machine is its value. You should set it up and use it a little. You may throw rocks at that sixteen.

xplodee · Oct 22, 2015

I'm unfamiliar with the market for these overhead driven machines, do they have value? I would assume since it would be such a pain to get it going that they wouldn't carry much value other than as parts for newer machines.

Tim

kitno455 · Oct 23, 2015

xplodee said:
I'm unfamiliar with the market for these overhead driven machines, do they have value? I would assume since it would be such a pain to get it going that they wouldn't carry much value other than as parts for newer machines.

Tim

Any lathe is better than no lathe. Any lathe is also better than a table held up by lathe legs.

allan

johnoder · Oct 23, 2015

Except in many cases the parts do not fit newer machines

xplodee said:
I'm unfamiliar with the market for these overhead driven machines, do they have value? I would assume since it would be such a pain to get it going that they wouldn't carry much value other than as parts for newer machines.

Tim

iwananew10K · Oct 23, 2015

yes, I would not expect any parts to fit later models.

FWIW- I like overhead drive machines, very user friendly, no bending over to change speeds.

I think the OP would likely get his price if it were left complete.
It would be a fun machine to bring back to life.

k3vyl · Oct 24, 2015

That's not really an overhead drive machine. It appears to be a horizontal motor drive scheme. The motor plate and counter shaft are in the pictures. Could be what they called a silent chain drive. Looks like the chain guard there with the counter shaft. Not sure how silent it is,but much quieter than being in a line shaft shop.

iwananew10K · Oct 25, 2015

good pic from a member with a similar machine...way cool.

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/v...049-fs-1928-13-overhead-chain-drive-image.jpg

k3vyl · Oct 25, 2015

Those are very substantial drive units. I saw one in person on a 15" gap bed machine with about a 10 foot bed.

leod · Oct 27, 2015

Yup, that's the one, mine does not have the chip pan though. And it has the old giant monster repulsion start induction run motor. I used the shop crane to lift it. I had an old leblond with the same motor and it could take a heavy enough cut to snap the end off a high speed tool and not slow a bit.

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