Thread: Well, Here I go... Off the deep end.

What started out as a weekend cross feed nut and screw replacement and a gear repair in the saddle is turning into a total tear down a rebuild, of course. I would have been fine if I would not have gotten the idea to paint the parts I had off. Got to thinking, That's just gonna make the rest of it look bad. I think Im even gonna have the ways ground. Im a machine mechanic so I have a few connections that help make this cost effective. I almost have the saddle completely apart, I have a taper pin that just absolutely stuck. Gonna have to drill and ream it. Have the reamer, pins on order from McMaster carr. Had to buy a pack of 50 so if anyone needs any Im sure I will have a few spares. Most of the painting is being done by my daughter and step daughter. They are both very good with their hands and are VERY artistic. Im teaching them how to use a suction feed spray gun, a Sharpe 75 that Ive had for 20 years or so.
I will do my best to share the process as I go.

Very nice. Really looking forward to having some popcorn and enjoying the show.

This is a 13" right?

Originally Posted by bradjacob

Very nice. Really looking forward to having some popcorn and enjoying the show.

This is a 13" right?

Sorry, Yes its a 13
Im not totally sure of the year, I haven't taken the time to look up the numbers yet. I do know the X in the serial number means special but not sure for what. I plan on posting all that information in the serial numbers needed thread.

I know of some parts I will be needing if anyone has any spares. Im missing parts for my collet closer for one. I dont have a complete list yet.
I will be doing more tear down lather today and my paint crew is hard at work as we speak stripping paint and cleaning with TSP. They will probably be spraying later today. Im being told I will be getting custom insignia on the outside of the bed where everyone can see it. Im not being told however what that is going to say lol.

I have to run out and get new solvent for my parts washer. I don't remember last time I changed it out and whats in it just aint cutting the age old oil and such on the parts.

KW

I'm looking forward to your pictoral documentation of your clean, repair and painting of your lathe.

I had to go back to your original posting (New here with a " New To Me " SB 13S Lathe) to see what kind of SB lathe you had and to see a photo of your lathe before starting the process. Here are links to two photos that I think best show your lathe. http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...-33-14_419.jpg & http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...-31-53_972.jpg.

Thanks Kelly,

Vlad

I'm looking forward to your pictoral documentation of your clean, repair and painting of your lathe.

I had to go back to your original posting (New here with a " New To Me " SB 13S Lathe) to see what kind of SB lathe you had and to see a photo of your lathe before starting the process. Here are links to two photos that I think best show your lathe. http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...-33-14_419.jpg & http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...-31-53_972.jpg.

Thanks Kelly,

Vlad

Have parts...Will sell
Ted
Latheman2@aol.com

Originally Posted by Vladymere gr

I'm looking forward to your pictoral documentation of your clean, repair and painting of your lathe.

I had to go back to your original posting (New here with a " New To Me " SB 13S Lathe) to see what kind of SB lathe you had and to see a photo of your lathe before starting the process. Here are links to two photos that I think best show your lathe. http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...-33-14_419.jpg & http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...-31-53_972.jpg.

Thanks Kelly,

Vlad

Vlad I should have posted those and was thinking about it, you beat me to it lol. Thanks. I really have not taken a lot of pictures since getting the lathe, its been in use much of the time. But Ive build around it some. I will be adding some new racks and what not's during this. I got a nice TIG welder not long ago and have been chomping at the bit for things to make and weld. A friend of mine is a self employed carpenter and a very good one at that. He gets into all kinds of stuff but he not a metal guy, this is where I come in. He quoted a job and then asked me what I would need to fab the metal work involved. I told him, one of theses , one of those, a couple of these. Two weeks lather he showed up with all of it and the steel to do the job, including the welder. So now he been getting into more metal fab since he has me at his finger tips.

KW

My 10L has that same Packard Machinery dealer's plate. I wonder if they sold a lot. Mine also had inventory tags, "USAF", "Northeastern University", "MIT Lincoln Labs". Made the rounds of Boston.

I would forget the urge to have the bed ground. It will not add to the usefulness or value of your machine. There is a chance that your bed is hardened, in which case wear should not be a major factor. You can replenish your parts washer by going to the hardware store and buy paint thinner, which if you read the MSDS, you will probably find that it is 100% stoddard solvent, which is was is used in parts washers as a solvent.

Lord Byron

Originally Posted by Bruce Nelson

I would forget the urge to have the bed ground. It will not add to the usefulness or value of your machine. There is a chance that your bed is hardened, in which case wear should not be a major factor. You can replenish your parts washer by going to the hardware store and buy paint thinner, which if you read the MSDS, you will probably find that it is 100% stoddard solvent, which is was is used in parts washers as a solvent.

Lord Byron

Bruce the only reason the grinding came to mind is cost and Ill have it far enough apart to have it done. And the ways are hard, I paid for the file card from Grizzly yesterday. They email it too you very fast in PDF format. If its only going to cost me materials and a little side cash,im all about it because it does have some wear but not bad. Im not going to go out of my way nor spend tons of money to have it done. Its an availability, cost and convenience thing. Like you said if the ways are hard it probably don't need it. But if its going to be a minimal cost I see no harm. And I did look into that yesterday. Paint thinner and mineral spirits here in Frankfort Indiana is 49.something for 5 gallons. I particularity dont like the idea of using it because its main purpose is to thin paint, or to cut it. I use my parts washer for lots of things , but to cut grease and oil. But its not a bad suggestion at all. Not sure what the price is everywhere else, I think it may be higher here because its a paint product and only two places in the county sell it by the 5 gallon can. The industrial solvent I have access to and am allowed by state and local laws to have and use is 24.95 per five gallons and cuts oil and grease much better. Being a machine mechanic in a large manufacturing facility certainly has its perks. Having been there for over 12 years helps also

Ron I looked into Packard yesterday. From what learned they sold a lot of South Bend products, and they are still in business. Its totally cool the USAF tag on yours. If you have a picture posted point me in the right direction,Ide like to see it.

Didn't get much more done yesterday, had some things pop up . I work 12 hour shifts 3 and 1/2 nights a week and am off the other 3 and 1/2 days. Its a great schedule and has more advantages than drawbacks. One of the drawbacks is when Im in my work days it hard to get much else done or dealt with that does not include necessities . That means I have loads to do on my days off , plus I have two side business I own and run on my days off. I have no employes , It keeps me busy. I get asked all the time if there is anything I don't do, my stock answer is " sleep " .

Cool info. Worth the 25 bucks I think





It does not show up because its in red but the mate of manufacture is 9-11-1961 and was shipped 10-19-1961

Interesting that the machine went to Packard in 1961??? By then is was Studebaker-Packard but I'm not sure where all they had operations. South Bend Lathe itself later relocated to the Studebaker factory in South Bend Indiana.

Originally Posted by Ohio Mike

Interesting that the machine went to Packard in 1961??? By then is was Studebaker-Packard but I'm not sure where all they had operations. South Bend Lathe itself later relocated to the Studebaker factory in South Bend Indiana.

Packard Machinery was a SBL dealer and I don't think they had anything to do with Packard car company.
Ted

Originally Posted by kellyblues

Bruce the only reason the grinding came to mind is cost and Ill have it far enough apart to have it done. And the ways are hard, I paid for the file card from Grizzly yesterday. They email it too you very fast in PDF format. If its only going to cost me materials and a little side cash,im all about it because it does have some wear but not bad. Im not going to go out of my way nor spend tons of money to have it done. Its an availability, cost and convenience thing. Like you said if the ways are hard it probably don't need it. But if its going to be a minimal cost I see no harm. And I did look into that yesterday. Paint thinner and mineral spirits here in Frankfort Indiana is 49.something for 5 gallons. I particularity dont like the idea of using it because its main purpose is to thin paint, or to cut it. I use my parts washer for lots of things , but to cut grease and oil. But its not a bad suggestion at all. Not sure what the price is everywhere else, I think it may be higher here because its a paint product and only two places in the county sell it by the 5 gallon can. The industrial solvent I have access to and am allowed by state and local laws to have and use is 24.95 per five gallons and cuts oil and grease much better. Being a machine mechanic in a large manufacturing facility certainly has its perks. Having been there for over 12 years helps also

Ron I looked into Packard yesterday. From what learned they sold a lot of South Bend products, and they are still in business. Its totally cool the USAF tag on yours. If you have a picture posted point me in the right direction,Ide like to see it.

Didn't get much more done yesterday, had some things pop up . I work 12 hour shifts 3 and 1/2 nights a week and am off the other 3 and 1/2 days. Its a great schedule and has more advantages than drawbacks. One of the drawbacks is when Im in my work days it hard to get much else done or dealt with that does not include necessities . That means I have loads to do on my days off , plus I have two side business I own and run on my days off. I have no employes , It keeps me busy. I get asked all the time if there is anything I don't do, my stock answer is " sleep " .

Once again, I would caution you about grinding this lathe bed. If your grinder is a bit too industrious, you risk grinding off the hardened material and expose the unhardened cast iron underneath. Another thing that could happen is that you could release the surface tension by grinding away the hardened portion of the way, which could cause the bed to warp. Grinding on the way will cause the saddle to ride lower on the bed, which will cause mis-alignment of the lead screw and mis-alignment with your taper attachment. If you were to sell this lathe, the fact that you ground the ways on a hardened bed could be reducing the value of the lathe. It appears that you are considering grinding the ways as a cosmetic gesture. If you were to use some 600 grit paper on a wood sanding block to remove whatever blemishes on the ways that are objectionable to you, the value of the machine to whomever comes after you would not be affected.

Lord Byron

Originally Posted by SBLatheman

Packard Machinery was a SBL dealer and I don't think they had anything to do with Packard car company.
Ted

Good to know. My first 10L lathe was sold to "Swartz 126-6" in 1959 which I assume is also a dealer? Is the any listing of dealers and their locations? Certainly there were many that came and went over the years. I'm only aware of a few Reynolds in Ohio, and AC Colby in NY to name two.

I see your point, you've talked me out of it. Its not something I was head bent on doing. But now that I think about what you said it makes perfect sense . I have a couple of true bars I got my hands on that were made for a project that never got off the ground. they are 36 inches long and almost a perfect match in width as the side of the ways. Thought even using 1000 grit with little to no pressure an even number of times up and down the ways would do no harm. There is some wear on the ways that's more than a scuff but to your point, it does not effect the performance of the lathe.

KW

I think its been painted a couple of times.

How's the restore coming along?