OT: A storeroom full of woodworking equipment, but I couldn't appreciate what I saw.

[S_W_Bausch]

A storeroom full of woodworking equipment, but I couldn't appreciate what I saw.

Oliver 88-D table saw

Linvincible SCM R9 (pin router?)


Couple of Tannewitz 36 inch bandsaws

Mattison 404 (I think rip saw?)

Martin I-75 saw

Weeke BP12 Optimat (CNC router, right?)

Northfield 12HD

I recognized the DeWalt GE63 radial arm saw, but that's about it.

The real estate agent thought I might be interested in the space, so he took around to this location, but the first building "had me" when I realized it had 3400 ft² under a 3 ton bridge crane, and 400 amps of 240 3 phase.

The 14 foot (ground level) overhead door fronts that bridge crane, back wall is 95 feet away.

Agent did have the footage wrong, he thought 8000 ft²...

It's actually 10,300 ft².

Selling price may change, now that I "wheeled" the interior and disclosed more space.

It's got 1500 ft² of rotten roof, but the building's purchase price is 70 cents per foot², so I can overlook the rotten area.

Anyway, just for my edification, what should I comprehend about that woodworking equipment??

Thanks for educating me
Steve

[Milacron]

A storeroom full of woodworking equipment, but I couldn't appreciate what I saw.

Oliver 88-D table saw

Linvincible SCM R9 (pin router?)


Couple of Tannewitz 36 inch bandsaws

Mattison 404 (I think rip saw?)

Martin I-75 saw

Weeke BP12 Optimat (CNC router, right?)

Northfield 12HD

I recognized the DeWalt GE63 radial arm saw, but that's about it.

Anyway, just for my edification, what should I comprehend about that woodworking equipment??

As with metalworking machines, depends alot on age, features, condition and appearance. The Northfield jointer for example would look the same if it was 1958 or 2008...but a newer one might tend to have a helical carbide tipped or Tersa head, which would make it worth a little more. Oliver saw worth maybe 500 bucks if tilting table, but maybe $3,000 if more modern tilting arbor and looks nice. SCMI pin router worth almost nothing no matter what. Tannewitz band saws $1,500 to $5,000 each. Mattison saw is probably a straight line rip saw...value criticallydependant on condition of track system. Martin T75 saw...might be old 1950's or 2000 with CNC...can't say without pix...need pix for Weeke too..more likely it's a point to point machine.

[pieces en regalia]

You getting the tools with the deal? I'd be interested in one of the 36" bandsaws if so. Step up from my Jones Superior 30".
Michael

[S_W_Bausch]

You getting the tools with the deal? I'd be interested in one of the 36" bandsaws if so. Step up from my Jones Superior 30".
Michael

Nope, not in play, I have zero interest in that location, so the owner/broker can continue to provide free storage, until/when he can determine a business plan for the contents of that room. Or tell the guy to come take his stuff.

[I can pass on I know a guy who would be interested in one of Tannewitzes, if you'd like.
And local craigslist has a recurring ad for one, most likely another one.]



Milacron, thanks for the input

Steve

[Milacron]

I forgot to mention on the Northfield jointer, if it's 1960's ugly, $1,800 but if 1980's and nice looking $4,000, add $500 to $1,000 more for helical head. Martin T75, if old but works nice, all there, $3,000 to $4,500 but if 2006+ year with LCD touch screen panel controled blade height, tilt and fence position...$20,000+ I'm guessing it's all on the old and ugly side however or it would be less likely to be sitting there in the first place.

[S_W_Bausch]

Wow, technology marches on.

Perhaps the SawStop and related tech will be eclipsed by a breath-alcohol tester, before SawStop ever gains any significant market share.

More likely to be installed by the company I would think; "Your Honor, according the the Breathalyzer logs...".

[atomarc]

Did I miss some critical point. You took the time to measure the building, stated you could overlook the portion of the roof that was rotten but in the next breath you indicate you have no interest in the property? Were you just kicking tires, so to speak?

Stuart

[S_W_Bausch]

Did I miss some critical point. You took the time to measure the building, stated you could overlook the portion of the roof that was rotten but in the next breath you indicate you have no interest in the property? Were you just kicking tires, so to speak?

Stuart

Are you sure??? Try reading it again, carefully.

The real estate agent thought I might be interested in the space, so he took around to this location, but the first building "had me" when I realized it had 3400 ft2 under a 3 ton bridge crane, and 400 amps of 240 3 phase.

The 14 foot (ground level) overhead door fronts that bridge crane, back wall is 95 feet away.

Agent did have the footage wrong, he thought 8000 ft2...

It's actually 10,300 ft2.

[kpotter]

70 cents a sq ft how cool is that. I would kill for something like that, how bad is Indiana is it like Detroit? There is nothing around here for under a couple hundred grand and for that it would be a dirt lot. I should move since I am sick of being hot.

[S_W_Bausch]

70 cents a sq ft how cool is that. I would kill for something like that, how bad is Indiana is it like Detroit? There is nothing around here for under a couple hundred grand and for that it would be a dirt lot. I should move since I am sick of being hot.

Well, since nobody caught my typo, I need to catch my typo.

$70,000 divided by 10,000 is $7 a square foot. I deserve some crap for moving the decimal point to a stupid place, so go ahead and flame me.

We have been hot this summer, perhaps not as hot as AZ.

Indiana has its communities where the largest employer left town, and either just gave a huge facility to city government (Muncie, Ball industries), or bulldozed it clear and planted grass (GM, Anderson).

When AT&T was broken up some decades ago, the Western Electric phone plant was put in limbo. It is being leased out in parcels, one of which is a paintball facility. The property managers do as little as possible, and the water puddles on the floors are evidence.

Some folks say Indianapolis didn't make a cent on the Super Bowl, it may have spent a million bucks instead. And Indianapolis has decided to sell off the parking meter concession, the water utility, the gas utility, etc. If this works out, I'll be happy to leave Indianapolis, where a flat tire brought to the attention of Code Enforcement is a mandatory no plea bargaining $50 (no typo here, that's fifty bucks).

[stephen thomas]

70 cents a sq ft how cool is that. I would kill for something like that, how bad is Indiana is it like Detroit?

If 2 days (overnight) on a drive through is any indication...Indianapolis is pretty bad.

Last year we gave junior a plane ticket to his senior year transfer from St John's Annapolis, to St John's Santa Fe. Then the wife & I took an extended road trip and schlepped his "stuff" out in a van and drove back as well.

The midwest seemed hard hit with panhandlers and low level grifters, but Indianapolis was about the worst. Center city tourist area full of panhandlers & just tired out beaten down beggars (far worse than NYC, say). My wife even got taken by a grifter with a (too elaborate) sob story. Pull in for gas and at least one person is going to come up telling you they can't afford to start the pump, can you help, etc....

We stopped to see the museum at the race track, which i had last toured ~1975 or so. It is new, bright, and lots of cars all shiny new looking. I kind of missed the old piles and jumbles of mechanical marvels everywhere of the old facility. Asked a docent about it, he said "it's all in the cellar, but no one can see it". We also planned to go to the Indiana Rooftop Ballroom at the encouragement of many friends. But it, too, is now closed, and no longer accessible to the public except on special events.

smt

PS, Milacron's notes are spot on. Hard to give an estimate without seeing the pics and more specs. I think the Tanny bandsaw prices may be a little high. Tend to bring about ~1,000 - 1,500 on IRS; though admittedly buyer penalty and sometimes mandatory rigging are added to that. So my guess at starting pirce closer to $1,000 especially in a depressed area would work, but maybe it is $1,500 compared to other costs. Pin router might get $500 if in great shape, but might not sell at all locally.

[Milacron]

Pin router might get $500 if in great shape, but might not sell at all locally.

Being an Linvincible model R9, that tells me it's either really old or really new (SCM Group reintroduced that line a couple years ago) and 99.9 percent chance it's really old... which means it's highly unlikely to be in great shape and therefore nearly worthless IMHO. Re Tanny bandsaws, you could be right... on the high side I was going by a pristine one I recently saw sell in $5K range but that might have been a fluke. In the 1980's when I attended many large furniture factory sales in NC via Stephen Winterwitz Auctions it seems like they always went for $7K.. an impossibly high figure for me back then. And that was before the buyer rip was "invented".

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...13&lid=9765988

[Robert Campbell Jr.]

Let's see, 3400 ft2 under a 3 ton bridge crane, and 400 amps of 240 3 phase and 10,300 ft2 total.

The "14 foot (ground level) overhead door fronts that bridge crane, back wall is 95 feet away" tells me at least a 16' ceiling.
Maybe you anticipate eventually needing 15,000 Sq. ft. of single story? Sounds like 2/3rds of it could be useful with a mezzanine that has a platform that juts just a little into the path of the crane.

For $70K??? OK, needs a roof, double the price......

For the first time, I truly understand "Location, location, location!"

Bob

[kpotter]

I need to move to a financialy depressed region, I dont need local sales at all so I could be living in a super cheap place and have a great building to work out of. 70 grand wont buy a 900 sqft trailer in Tucson. I bet there is tons of machinerey as well just sitting waiting for someone like me to fire it up and start making parts. Why did everyone leave it sounds like a great place.

[Steve in SoCal]

Be careful what you wish for; I have 37K sq ft in flyover country that was had for about 2.60 a foot. It has a 160X35 three ton railway with three bridges, another 3 ton bridge on about 80 feet of rail and four half ton jibs. It also came with a 65 HP rotary compressor, a spray booth, blast room and four 2 ton hoists in a work cell. The down side is it is in rough shape and just pressure washing it to paint has been a nearly month long endeavor! The temps here have been in the 104~109 range just about every day since early June. It will be the freezing cold to contend with in a few more months and, then there is the demand charges on power set at an 8 KW threshold. All in all it is a great deal but it is far from paradise.

Steve

[Milacron]

Here's the Martin T-75 I would dream that it is..

Experience perfection with MARTIN: T75 PreX

And here's what is more likely is...

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/6457/8952004_1.jpg

Old style built more heavy duty and no electronics to go bad....but still the market value is in the newer one.

[S_W_Bausch]

The old one, NOT the new one.

If this saw had electronics, it would be a boombox parked on the table.

[Spud]

Here's the Martin T-75 I would dream that it is..

Experience perfection with MARTIN: T75 PreX

And here's what is more likely is...

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/6457/8952004_1.jpg

Old style built more heavy duty and no electronics to go bad....but still the market value is in the newer one.

Is the T75 Prex Martin's top of the line saw?


Altendorf appears more common (than Martin) in the US and there seems to be more used Altendorfs on Ebay.de than Martins but what is a bit weird to me is that Altendorf never branched out to make other woodworking machines like Martin.

[Milacron]

Is the T75 Prex Martin's top of the line saw?


Altendorf appears more common (than Martin) in the US and there seems to be more used Altendorfs on Ebay.de than Martins but what is a bit weird to me is that Altendorf never branched out to make other woodworking machines like Martin.

Re T75...seems to be, but the T70 has more elaborate control info on their website. I recently bought a 2006 Martin T60 but don't have it in house yet. Re Altendorf, did you know that some models are now made in China ? (WA series) For that matter, some Martin machines are made in Italy by Griggio...and some of those have hints of Chinese components. But the Martin T60, T60A, T65, T70, T75 are all German.

[Spud]

Re T75...seems to be, but the T70 has more elaborate control info on their website. I recently bought a 2006 Martin T60 but don't have it in house yet. Re Altendorf, did you know that some models are now made in China ? (WA series) For that matter, some Martin machines are made in Italy by Griggio...and some of those have hints of Chinese components. But the Martin T60, T60A, T65, T70, T75 are all German.

Some years back I noticed that the Altendorf WA series were like $7500ish new, so I suspected it was made in the FarEast or Eastern Europe, then I read somewhere that they were made in China.
Re. Martin Italian saws; I was just looking at the Martin site and noticed that their TC6 series does not look like the others who all share a certain look. TC6 does look like Italian sliders.

Somewhere I read that you prefer the Martin sliding table over the Altendorf; what is more to your liking with Martin's design?
Martins seem quite rare Stateside relative to Altendorf, I wonder if it is because Stiles Machinery are big players so are better at advertising and their sales/service network has more reach?
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Not to hijack the thread...
..I have been visiting the local lumber & carpentry services shop here in Sri Lanka cause I need a new frame and door in mahogany to match the mahogany doors/windows in the house; .....anyways I was checking out their machinery , they got a Korean multi function saw (must be 80s or 90s) which is their primary saw , a Japanese thicknesser/planer and some other machines.