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1 Ton Long Wheelbase Dually Flatbed Pickup vs Machine Height/Size/Weight

john.k

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Brisbane Qld Australia
A lot of containers go past here ,there is a stop just down the road ,and its scary to hear the massive crashes from inside the shipping containers as trucks come to fairly gentle stop.......While ago ,a 40 ft container tipped over on a car and killed the driver .....it had a single row of ceramic tiles on pallets stacked down the middle ,unsecured.
 

dkmc

Diamond
Many years ago a local bought a super nice, hardly used Bridgeport mill at auction 50 miles away. Hired a 'great price' rigger to haul it home. They never secured the machine to the flatbed, and it slipped off on the highway. I saw pics of the result, not pretty. All he had were the pics of the machine they mailed him. They pretty much disappeared after that with buyer never able to track them down or hold them accountable, or find the whereabouts of the machine after they recovered the pieces off the roadway. He gave up pretty easily and moved on.
 

m16ty

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Look at the frame of your trailer compared to the frame of the truck, big difference. I have no data to back it up, but when you go to putting heavy tall loads on the bed of a 1-ton truck, when you take corners my butt tells me it’s sketchy.

Side in campers don’t weigh squat compared to a machine tool.

Just about every class 8 tractor/trailer you see on the road is hauling more weight in cargo than the truck and trailer weigh empty, so that number is irrelevant. As long as you have enough engine to pull it, frame and suspension to hold it up, and enough brakes to stop it you are fine.

I don’t know where the “ton” ratings for trucks came from. I can only assume it was from a time when said truck were only rated for that much in the bed. Even today though a 150 or 1500 trucks is considered a 1/2 ton, a 250 or 2500 a 3/4 ton, and a 350, 3500 a 1-ton. The GVW has been going up on all the models across the board throughout the years though. I remember for years a 3/4 ton truck had a GVW of 8,200 lbs, my 2024 GMC 2500 has a GVW of 10,500 lbs. Then GM used to have what they called a “heavy half”, which fit in between the 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton models.

To the question at hand, could you haul a top heavy load at or near GVW, probably. Should you, especially noting that you do have a suitable trailer available, no.
Just seems like a whole lot of trouble to keep from having to hook to the trailer.
 
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gbent

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Kansas
The heavy half, chevy big 10, ford f150, et al, were emissions loopholes. Trucks with gvw over 6,000# were exempt from many of the emission requirements, including catalytic converters. Iirc, that loophole ended in the late '70's.
 

john.k

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My Ford Ranger 2006 with the model plane sized engine(according to the pickup crowd) hauled many 1 ton plus loads in the last six months ........the company Ford /Mazda I had before regularly hauled 2 ton bulker bags of garnet to job sites ......only noticable damage was the fuel tank used to get banged underneath on the bund walls at the tank farm.
 

ratbldr427

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jacksonville,fl.
Just curios, I have a 3'-9" CB RD. Just eyeballing the base plate looks to be at least half or more of the total weight. With the arm down all the way I don't think the CG would be any worse than a 20" lathe of comparable weight. The later models have a more massive gear box and arm so probably be higher cg. Had a small Enco 3' and it's cg looked lower than the CB. The largest I have ever seen ,an American, had to have at least a 6' maybe 8' arm. What a monster but again the base plate was too.

So does any one know for sure that they are any worse than than a lathe of comparable weight? Certainly in use with the arm up that all changes.
 

john.k

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Brisbane Qld Australia
Ive moved a lot of drills with the arm down as low as possible .....but I always had a lot of chains in every direction........Incidentally ,never trust locks on drills ,always secure the end of the arm to the baseplate with crossed chains,and secure the head to the column with chains ...........Just about every accident Ive seen with a drill ,the arm/head swung out to the side,the head ran out on the arm, and overbalanced the whole lot.
 

Ries

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Edison Washington USA
My Ford Ranger 2006 with the model plane sized engine(according to the pickup crowd) hauled many 1 ton plus loads in the last six months ........the company Ford /Mazda I had before regularly hauled 2 ton bulker bags of garnet to job sites ......only noticable damage was the fuel tank used to get banged underneath on the bund walls at the tank farm.
Those thai built turbo diesel rangers were never sold in the US, so no comparison is possible. We had much bigger gas engine F150s, my 2003 will haul 2500 lbs, but it sags when you try. The bigger trucks being discussed here are different from the mazdas sold in australia.
 

MwTech Inc

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Feb 6, 2005
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Fishersville VA
Refurbished my 4 x 13" CB super, full tear down.
The base alone was all my 4K forktruck wanted, so that means 9K +/- of the 13K total is up in the air
Pulled the head off the arm using a 2500lb electric lift, it lightened up the steering.....
So 2k plus off 9k still leaves 7k+/- in the arm and column.
So that should push the CG up over a lathe, but the drill base is wider....you can see in the picture the arm is all the way down..
Still a lot of iron up in the air...lol
(Didn't have all the final cosmetic details done when this picture was taken)
 

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Ox

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West Unity, Ohio
You.
Shirley you didn't haul that on a 1 ton truck.


That is an incredible paint job BTW!


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Ox
 
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MwTech Inc

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Fishersville VA
Ok....... I was replying to ratbaldr"s thoughts....
I have a local rigger that helps me out, they were the rigger for the auction and on their way back to their shop they brought it on a tandem axle flatbed.
Full size truck
Once here, I did the rebuild and moved it around and then in place with my skates.

Ox Thanks...it takes some time but that is what i normally do to used machines I get.
I figure if I rebuild them, so mechanically they are like new, then paint, it's like buying a new machine.
It was really ugly when it showed up....lol

Here is a close up during the paint process.....
 

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handsome devil

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Bonduel, Wi
Hello been quite a while since I visited here. I hauled a radial drill about 200 miles to my home a few years ago. I used a GMC K3500 crew cab with 454 ci motor and a dual axle, 4 wheel gooseneck rated at about 14,500 lbs approx {7 ton load capacity}. I lowered the arm, locked and chained the arm to keep it from moving. I chained the column forward and back, then nailed scrap boards along the base to keep it from trying to walk. Only had a few hills {Baraboo range} to contend with. One hill between Wautoma and Wild Rose Wi made me queasy when a car in front of me almost stopped to make a right hand turn in front of me and an oncoming car in the other lane. no turn signal until starting their turn. I made it home fine. But the one thing I see missing in this thread is stopping. My gooseneck is now sold but it was a heavy beast empty, my GMC had good brakes, the trailer had new electric brakes that never seemed very good to me. When pulling that trailer I knew I was not in Kansas anymore, empty or loaded. Originally I had a very HD car hauler that was rated for almost the same weight. But it had fenders and that got in my way a few times so I opted for the gooseneck. For me the idea of hauling on back of a truck regardless of modifications is a young mans fantasy or a troll. I mean why ask? Besides being able to stop in a reasonable amount of space I think the unloading of a Radial Drill is equally or even more dangerous than hauling one. I learned if I sell this thing or got involved in moving one again I would not do it the way I did. No deaths, no injuries but it was unsafe and I knew it. But once started I was committed to finish it. Not exactly true but it was what I thought at the time. I put a 6 ton chain fall at center of gravity which is just in front of the column on mine I mean almost touching the column. There was a slight unbalance on the drills motor/transmission side where I put a smaller 1 ton chain fall to balance the drill. Drove out from under it and let it down as fast as I could. Using a chain fall meant you had to stand very close to this slipshod hook up. If something would of snapped my neighbor and I or at least one of us would of bought the farm. We loaded it with a HD forklift that could barely handle the DP. I drove semi for 23 years, ran cranes when I was young and have an inkling on how to hook up odd ball machines. This radial was a job and a half for my home shop. I had no problems with it being top heavy, just awkward. I also snapped a gear off the top of the column which I was not proud of either. In my stress I failed to notice the chain was rubbing on the gear. Cast iron snaps pretty easy. Be careful of radial drills they are a bit different if your not used to them. I would only use a forklift to load or unload unless you have a lot of rigging that I don't have or an overhead crane would be nicer than my homemade crane which was taxed by this load. I love old heavy machinery and RR stuff, but it like all machines is unforgiving it it falls in your lap. Regards, John.
 

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DouglasJRizzo

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Ramsey, NJ.
I remember when DN was cleaning house, they were scrapping a 60 tool ATC from a large horizontal that was field retrofitted with a larger ATC. Scrap guys came in a DRW Ford Super Duty, chained it to the bed and off they went. The thing was sticking up at least 8 feet in the air. They rolled the truck at about 5/10 mph making the left onto Chapin Road. Should've chained it flat to the trailer. The ATC wasn't that heavy, but the center of gravity was what did them in.
 
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RC Mech

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Regardless of what the OP’s intentions were, a DOT officer isn’t going to care about all the time you wasted fitting “big Timbrens” to a truck that is not licensed from the manufacturer and never will be licensed for the weight.

George Costanza in their NBC pilot meeting: “Otherwise it’s all just masturbation!”
 
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Hauled two 9” column 3ft arm American hole wizards (6k lbs each)side by side and a 24” standard cinci shaper (feels like it’s about 5k lbs) the other day on a 1975 f-700 with 18ft grain box. 25.5k gvwr with clark5speed and splitter rear axle. Handled it great but wouldn’t top 40mph. The poor 361FT engine was floored most of the 90mi trip
 








 
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