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1912-1913 12-inch Spindle Gear

swells

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Dec 29, 2004
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Indiana
Looking for any help to ID a missing spindle gear (PT30) for a 12-inch model 30. Diameter, tooth count, etc...
A pre-1921 11-inch model 28 "may" have the same gear. The OD of the rear spindle is 1-1/8.
I know this is a long shot, but it's in good shape otherwise.
 

scsmith42

Aluminum
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Jul 28, 2020
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New Hill, NC
I may be able to help. I’ve got an old 1916 vintage south end lathe tucked away in a container.

Can you provide more information about what you’re looking for? I’m not interested in selling any parts, but may be able to provide some dimensions.
 

swells

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Dec 29, 2004
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Indiana
I may be able to help. I’ve got an old 1916 vintage south end lathe tucked away in a container.

Can you provide more information about what you’re looking for? I’m not interested in selling any parts, but may be able to provide some dimensions.
This is the gear on the rear of the spindle that engages with the twin reverse/forward lead screw shifter gears. The 12-inch, 1-1/2-inch spindle production dropped at the end of 1916 and the 11-inch, 1-1/2-inch spindle in mid 1921.

Steve
 

swells

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Dec 29, 2004
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After reviewing the reverse shifter gearing, I may have solved the problem.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the reverse gear that the twin gears drive, have to be
matched to the spindle reverse gear? Aren't they just idlers? That would be if the reverse gear is a 30 tooth gear, 16dp and 14-1/2pa the OD should measure 2-inchs? If that's correct, all he needs to do is measure the reverse gear to confirm and have a gear made to press fit on the spindle.

Steve
 

johnoder

Diamond
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Jul 16, 2004
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Houston, TX USA
After reviewing the reverse shifter gearing, I may have solved the problem.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the reverse gear that the twin gears drive, have to be
matched to the spindle reverse gear? Aren't they just idlers? That would be if the reverse gear is a 30 tooth gear, 16dp and 14-1/2pa the OD should measure 2-inchs? If that's correct, all he needs to do is measure the reverse gear to confirm and have a gear made to press fit on the spindle.

Steve
A 30 tooth 16 DP is in fact 2.000" OD
 

kitno455

Titanium
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Jul 9, 2010
Location
Virginia, USA
I know of one lathe (not a SB) where the spindle gear and the main gear on the reverser are not the same. It also had a 9 TPI leadscrew to make up for it. I expect you don't have to worry about that, just an interesting story.
 

swells

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Dec 29, 2004
Location
Indiana
There are sometimes weird proprietary items you find in machines for sure. I've never seen or read about a 9 TPI leadscrew, what lathe is that?
On my Elgo KL26 Capstan lathe, that I'm converting to CNC, manufactured by the firm Elgo S.A., from the town of Elgoibar, in the Basque region of northern Spain, the parts manual lists a 5-inch chuck for it as an accessory. take a look at the photo and see if you have any ideas on mounting a back plate on this spindle. The spindle threads measure 2.8215 and is 12 TPI with a native 5C collet taper in it. There is not a registration area in the rear with a 90 degree stop, but there is in the front, it measures 2.1675. The rear area measures just over the threads (2.834) enough to allow the nose thread protector to ride up the spindle about a quarter inch.

On the gear train on the 1912 12-inch lathe, from a photo, I believe I counted 30 teeth on the reverser. The old 11-inch or the 13-inch, can't remember right now, had a 30 tooth on the spindle and the reverser, I asked him to count them and confirm.
 

swells

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Dec 29, 2004
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Indiana
I read my mic backwards...lol...the thread diameter of the spindle is 2.797, 2-51/64 x 12 tpi.
Don't think I'll find a backplate for that one...haha
 

JoesHomeShop

Aluminum
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Dec 11, 2012
Location
St. Louis, MO, USA
Looking for any help to ID a missing spindle gear (PT30) for a 12-inch model 30. Diameter, tooth count, etc...
A pre-1921 11-inch model 28 "may" have the same gear. The OD of the rear spindle is 1-1/8.
I know this is a long shot, but it's in good shape otherwise.
I just saw your request. I have the exact model 1911 SB - NO. 30 12" S/N 1119 and actually fairly recently replaced the very gear due to several broken teeth: 1-1/8" ID, 2" OD, 0.690 W, 30 T, with 0.185" keyway. My lathe will soon be for sale. Hope this helps,

Joe
 

swells

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Dec 29, 2004
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Indiana
I just saw your request. I have the exact model 1911 SB - NO. 30 12" S/N 1119 and actually fairly recently replaced the very gear due to several broken teeth: 1-1/8" ID, 2" OD, 0.690 W, 30 T, with 0.185" keyway. My lathe will soon be for sale. Hope this helps,

Joe
Thanks Joe, that's exactly what I needed.

Steve
 








 
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