1978 I/M 10EE with apron feed motor on Portland CL

[TheOldCar]

They both show the wires to the apron drive disconnected, and both have the same code stencil painted on the front. Could they be one and the same? The facebook ad shows it where it was last being used, and craigslist ad is in a more recent location???

 

[Milland]

From the FB ad (the things I do for you guys):

"Rare Monarch 10EE Lathe Loaded!! Rare Inch Metric model with the Rare Electric feed apron with presents. Also includes the factory tooling cabinet with all the tooling. 2 Axis DRO, taper attachment, 5C collet closer, The lathe was upgraded by Monarch in 1992 and has been sitting unsed in a military toolroom since 1996 when the base closed and is pristine condition. Priced at $39,995."

 

[TheOldCar]

Same EMT conduit box on the back, also. I bet a spare 10EE tailstock that they are the same machine.

 

[Milland]

They both show the wires to the apron drive disconnected, and both have the same code stencil painted on the front. Could they be one and the same? The facebook ad shows it where it was last being used, and craigslist ad is in a more recent location???

The two listings I made posts for seem to be different, the FB lathe has stencils and the cabinet, the Craigslist doesn't. Ditto the FB lathe seems assembled/working(?), with DRO and backsplash.

 

[TheOldCar]

The two listings I made posts for seem to be different, the FB lathe has stencils and the cabinet, the Craigslist doesn't.

I thought the same, but looked closer and noticed weird similarities. Craigslist one shows the DRO removed but cables jumbled into the chip pan. And that cheap conduit junction box on the back with its own little sticker, the crooked "HEAVY MED" sticker on the backgear/LH side cover, plus that identical stenciled code are all convincing me. On the Facebook pics, the Lockout/Tag-out table on the front power switch is dated 2014 also. I bet it was purchased and moved from the last place it was in use (facebook pics) and now resides elsewhere (craigslist pics).

My bet stands!

EDIT: If I'm right, I hope they kept the cabinet with it.

EDIT #2: Yellow sticker on the upper LH big cover, not the lower one.

 

[TheOldCar]

More useless observations:

-Weird rust stain above & behind the LH end of leadscrew shows on both. (Not a super convincing clue...just same in both ads)

-Rear chip guard brackets have non-factory bottom screws, and the screws are there on the craigslist one also.

-Cable for cross feed scale CABLE is the in same not-where-I-would-ever-put-it location on both lathes. And the 2 visible cable hold downs are in the same place on the carriage & apron.

 

[rakort]

Yeah it seems too weird that these lathes are soo similar. I didn't analyze the pictures closely but at first pass I thought there were enough differences, but I'm not sure.

 

[rakort]

Same EMT conduit box on the back, also. I bet a spare 10EE tailstock that they are the same machine.

I'm with ya, not betting my spare tailstock against ya.

 

[220swift]

I think they are the same lathe.
In the first set of pictures you can see a faded spot on the side of the headstock where the numbers were removed. There is also a rust spot at the left end of the bed.
Hal

 

[Milland]

Might be. What's confusing is a $40K price for the FB posting (which is presumably the "older" ad, with the stencil), and the $20K for the Craigslist. Did the guy try to fix it, give up, and is taking the loss?

 

[rke[pler]

I think that's something laying in the chip pan. There's nothing like that on the left end of the apron.

I bet Russ knows more.

The micrometer dial in the bed looks like the taper micrometer to me. But there's still a micrometer adjust on the taper so...

I don't think I've ever seen that model in the wild. I do have an apron drawing somewhere, at least I think it's for that style.

The presets are for feed only, I think. 4 for forward, last one for reverse. All labeled in in/min and mm/min so definitely not RPM. I'm kind of digging the retro hood.

 

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[Mr_CNC_guy]

The knob on the right edge of this photo?

I think that's something laying in the chip pan. There's nothing like that on the left end of the apron.

I bet Russ knows more.

Yes, that is what I am talking about. It could be something in the chip pan, but it seems to be above the swarf and not in it.

 

[TheOldCar]

Might be. What's confusing is a $40K price for the FB posting (which is presumably the "older" ad, with the stencil), and the $20K for the Craigslist. Did the guy try to fix it, give up, and is taking the loss?

Good question!
Or, did the Facebook seller meet reality, sell it for more like 10K to the craigslist seller, he removed decals, fiddled, gave up and listed it? Just seeing those wires and plate hanging from the apron in both listings makes me wonder how much progress the second owner (if it is a second owner) even made.

I only make up this story because my I/M 10EE came from a machinery dealer who listed it on ebay. I offered them 1/2 of their asking price, and they said "ok, if we don't have to finish fixing the drive & make it operational". It was apparent the dealer got it at auction, straight from Sandia Labs. Seems like the lab had given up on troubleshooting the drive. The machinery dealer had simply removed the big decals on the upper left of the headstock and removed two of the contactors in the JIC cabinet.

 

[Cal Haines]

I agree, same machine. (Good eyes, guys!)

All you need to do is compare all of the nicks in the paint on the base in these to photos:

The retro castings for the control head are very cool! Wouldn't it be great to have fiberglass reproductions, for mounting DROs or whatever?

It's pretty clear that the apron feed motor has been disconnected, so he has a machine with no drive and no apron feed. $20k is a big ask for that.

 

[john.k]

Its a Monarch ,so I wont say anything bad.....but ,in the machinery business an "electro-mechanical lathe with bundles of loose wires " is not exactly desirable .

 

[gustafson]

would love to have one of these but, yeah lots o dough

 

[rakort]

I couldn't stand it any longer, I invited the OP on both CL and FB to join in the conversation here. I figured he would have the best odds of finding a buyer here especially after sharing additional information (especially about the main drive and the apron drive)

Brian

 

[zgoo]

It has 5 presets for speeds and feeds. There is no apron drive rod for the carriage, instead there is a DC drive motor mounted behind the carriage apron fo powereing the carriage, much like a Hardinge HLV-H. The apron is feed oil by an electric Bijuir oil pump. It is a rare inch metric model. Rare model, priced right. With a retro fit it will be a gem of a machine. Ok I'm bias...It came from an Air base in Ohio

 

[sfriedberg]

So the impression we have is this machine is non-functional. No main drive and no functional carriage drive. Is that correct, or incorrect?