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CalG

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And now Pakistan.

How similar the story. Ousted to install a "pro western" option.

EU would approve.
 

CalG

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Not entirely sure what you're trying to get at by saying " doing as he was told", but he was told to not proceed with the EU acceptance by his oligarch puppeteer from the east.
Then he was shown the error of his ways by Russia's export embargo in 2012.

That was Russia's doing.




Perhaps, perhaps not.

That was the US's doing.

So would you agree that Russia had a major ( if not primary ) hand in leading up to the events in 2013, while the US ( and the EU to some extent ) had a hand in the outcome?

If you do agree, then where are we?
You think Russia has the right to go completely unchecked, free to do whatever Vladimir dreams up?
When should the West have the right to pipe up? There was silence after Georgia, you think it should be silence regarding Ukraine as well?
How about after Latvia? Lithuania? Estonia? Moldova?

You share Scott's assertion that Putin has a god given right to ignore and trample the agreements his drunken predecessor made back in 1994 and once again in 1997?
How about if NATO did the same thing and populated every single mile of it's eastern borders with nuclear weapons and fully equipped battle ready battalions?

One must ask, What is the correct response when your nation's best intelligence indicates a neighboring country is about to do dirty? After 8 years of using diplomatic channels?

I just wonder why it's OK for the US to do these sorts of things under the watch of NATO, the EU, etc.
Consider Syria Libya, Iran Iraq , the banana republics and more. But....

When is time for Duterte?
 

Freedommachine

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Not entirely sure what you're trying to get at by saying " doing as he was told", but he was told to not proceed with the EU acceptance by his oligarch puppeteer from the east.
Then he was shown the error of his ways by Russia's export embargo in 2012.

That was Russia's doing.

My point was that politicians are corruptible and deceptive creatures. All of them have their hand in the cookie jar. When they are not campaigning, they are trying to figure out what the next guy is doing.

All of this happens yet they are never held accountable. If you see a politician fall from grace, you'd better believe he was pushed by someone.



Perhaps, perhaps not.

That was the US's doing.

So would you agree that Russia had a major ( if not primary ) hand in leading up to the events in 2013, while the US ( and the EU to some extent ) had a hand in the outcome?

Russia was always going to have involvement in Ukraine. I would like to believe that it would not have been 100% grift, greed and exploitation but I do not know nearly enough about the culture or government of either nation to say for sure.

I do in fact understand the US government and their history of foreign policy. I have seen evidence of our government officials profiting from their positions in the name of aid to Ukraine.

Therefore, I say with confidence that US involvement in Ukraine was never driven by the pure pursuit of humanitarian aid.

This means that the US government did not look at the situation and think;... "O' Lord, how my heart yearns for the oppressed and abused people of Ukraine. I wish to set them free from the chains that bind them so they too may know the sweet embrace of liberty and righteousness as an unmolested sovereign nation under God.

^^^ This is exactly how western media and our government wants you to think - and many people are intoxicated by it. This really gets under my skin because it is a deceitful lie. It distorts judgement and causes people to turn away from knowledge.

If you do agree, then where are we?

You think Russia has the right to go completely unchecked, free to do whatever Vladimir dreams up?
When should the West have the right to pipe up? There was silence after Georgia, you think it should be silence regarding Ukraine as well?
How about after Latvia? Lithuania? Estonia? Moldova?

We are likely having two different conversations. Not every injustice can be resolved by our actions. Quite often a solution to one problem makes others worse.

Look at Afghanistan for instance. The US military goes on a "peace keeping" mission and tries to inject our culture and governance into a land where they still stone women to death for adultery, our presence only makes trouble for the innocent.

The world is a cursed place full of sin and evil. The western world only displays theirs differently. We have no "right" as a nation to do anything to any other nation. Sometimes action is justified... Most of the time it is not. Either way it has nothing to do with rights.

The US government is not a righteous entity, period. They are greedy, evil, manipulative, power hungry, arrogant fools... Just like any other government.

No, I don't think Russia has a "right" to do what they are doing. I also don't think the US government has any business sticking their noses in the matter. The unintended consequences will be suffered by the people of Ukraine while those who cause it sleep soundly on the opposite side of the world.

You share Scott's assertion that Putin has a god given right to ignore and trample the agreements his drunken predecessor made back in 1994 and once again in 1997?
How about if NATO did the same thing and populated every single mile of it's eastern borders with nuclear weapons and fully equipped battle ready battalions?

Rulers have a God ordained duty to promote what is good and punish what is evil. If any leader of a nation cared to humble themselves before God, this is the way they would conduct themselves.

Again, rights do not factor in here. I do not know anything about the agreements you mentioned so I cannot speak to that.
 

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One would think there would be a message heard.

The voice of government cries

"We will fight to the last"

While the voice sneaks away to a safe place.
 

SeymourDumore

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Have you heard of 5th generation warfare Mr Dumore?


I have watched that clip once and listened to it twice ( have some work responsibilities as well you know ... )

First, some very intelligent people apparently have way too much time on their hands!

Agree with the basic concept they put forth, but calling it "5th generation warfare" and making it sound like it is a left wing invention is just some far out propaganda garbage!
The Right does it too, and I am listening to it in two languages, my native and in English!

For the record, I am a one time ( the second time ) Trump voter who has never voted democrat.
My first time eligible vote was for GWB, held my nose voting for McCain ( due to Palin ), proudly voted for Romney, checked none for Trump's first, checked "yeah, ok" for his second,
and at this time I would very much prefer to see a man with an orange face wearing a wig in the White House versus a demented one wearing a depends diaper!
 

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its become very apparent Putin was expecting a 3 day war,after which he could install a puppet government and hold show trials ....Now hes desperate,and depending on what happens in the next 14 days,may decide to take everthing with him......sleepy Joe should have vaporized the Kremlin on day one.....cause its gonna happen .
 

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Is it possible that through advertisement, media, celebrity endorsement, or other means of psychological influence; a people can be influenced to vote a certain way?

Is it possible that the slim group of candidates chosen for the vote only allowed to run because they received blessing from an outside force?

The answer is yes... Because that is what democracy is about. Now, if those who are trying to influence government are citizens of that nation? All is fair. When the UNITED STATES™ begins sending "advisors" and NGO's into your country to do these things...well, that's a different story.





If he was doing as he was told, his transgressions would have never been highlighted. Of course the media portray it as a righteous proof that democracy punishes evil lol.



Would things have played out exactly as they did without US influence? If the answer is no then they are guilty.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

Have you heard of 5th generation warfare Mr Dumore?


"Techcamp" LoL - great name for it.
I'm glad to see that the UK Gov propaganda unit (BBC) were part of the training :cheers:
WikiLeaks - Hillary Clinton Email Archive
 

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Imran Khan always struck me as a strange person for Pakistan PM....International playboy for decades ,married into a wealthy Jewish banker family.....actually billionaire ,.....somewhat questionable he has actually cut ties there,and enters politics in the most crazily fanatical fundamentalist country on the planet......and then ,with the aid of some members of the military ,becomes PM. With the promise to eliminate corruption where its a part of daily life.
 

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its become very apparent Putin was expecting a 3 day war,after which he could install a puppet government and hold show trials ....Now hes desperate,and depending on what happens in the next 14 days,may decide to take everthing with him......sleepy Joe should have vaporized the Kremlin on day one.....cause its gonna happen .

Apparent to who? Sounds like the typical neocon/Yewkrainian spin.

If you look at the history of persecuting the ethnic Russians in the Donbass that led to the revolt and takeover of two regions it becomes more clear that Putin's goal is to defend those breakaway regions and damage Ukraine's ability to retake them by destroying key military assets. He is going slow because he wishes to accomplish this with a minimum of Russian casualties. The entire campaign has been one of destroying assets and then retreating to a position of strength. I seriously doubt he intends to take over all of Ukraine but it is clear that he intends for those breakaway regions to remain independent allies of Russia and serve as a buffer on the border.

We've been lied to since the beginning, not only about Russia's motives and actions but also about their capabilities. Not long ago we were hearing the Russia was "weak" and would soon be defeated and driven from all of Ukraine. That hasn't happened and as Ukraine has suffered more defeats they are screaming for "more weapons" while their allies here gin up stories of atrocities, rapes, and even chemical warfare. What next? will they be accused of turning Ukrainians into soap and lampshades, an accusation against the Germans that first surfaced during WWI?

And as for "vaporizing the Kremlin" you are clearly ignorant of the realities of nuclear war. If Brainless Joe actually was stupid enough to try that the retaliation would be devastating, not only from land-based ICBMs but also sea launched missiles from Russian "Boomers". Grow up! This isn't a football game and if it escalates to World War Three most of the world will suffer.
 

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Apparent to who? Sounds like the typical neocon/Yewkrainian spin.

If you look at the history of persecuting the ethnic Russians in the Donbass that led to the revolt and takeover of two regions it becomes more clear that Putin's goal is to defend those breakaway regions and damage Ukraine's ability to retake them by destroying key military assets. He is going slow because he wishes to accomplish this with a minimum of Russian casualties. The entire campaign has been one of destroying assets and then retreating to a position of strength. I seriously doubt he intends to take over all of Ukraine but it is clear that he intends for those breakaway regions to remain independent allies of Russia and serve as a buffer on the border.

We've been lied to since the beginning, not only about Russia's motives and actions but also about their capabilities. Not long ago we were hearing the Russia was "weak" and would soon be defeated and driven from all of Ukraine. That hasn't happened and as Ukraine has suffered more defeats they are screaming for "more weapons" while their allies here gin up stories of atrocities, rapes, and even chemical warfare. What next? will they be accused of turning Ukrainians into soap and lampshades, an accusation against the Germans that first surfaced during WWI?

Jezuus Scott, just cut out the middleman and link to the Kremlin site directly
 

Big B

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Not sure how you managed to connect that with what I posted, but only 'Trumpers' ever lost in the wild west crypto sphere right Jim :nutter:

Most everything with the trump name on it is like a burning building. You have trump university, trump steaks, trump airlines, trump casino and I'm still trying to figure out how you bankrupt a place where people just come in and give you their money. Kind of figures that trump crypto would be worthless too. At least worthless to the little guy trumpers that lost their shirts on this fiasco.

I'd steer very clear of any type of investment that had anything to do with trump. It would be much more satisfying to drive around my town and throw hundred dollar bills out the window. At least it would benefit the town and not the orange grifter. And both would leave a person without their initial investment. Because that's how trump rolls.

How's that "truth social" coming along?
 

Big B

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Apparent to who? Sounds like the typical neocon/Yewkrainian spin.

If you look at the history of persecuting the ethnic Russians in the Donbass that led to the revolt and takeover of two regions it becomes more clear that Putin's goal is to defend those breakaway regions and damage Ukraine's ability to retake them by destroying key military assets. He is going slow because he wishes to accomplish this with a minimum of Russian casualties. The entire campaign has been one of destroying assets and then retreating to a position of strength. I seriously doubt he intends to take over all of Ukraine but it is clear that he intends for those breakaway regions to remain independent allies of Russia and serve as a buffer on the border.

We've been lied to since the beginning, not only about Russia's motives and actions but also about their capabilities. Not long ago we were hearing the Russia was "weak" and would soon be defeated and driven from all of Ukraine. That hasn't happened and as Ukraine has suffered more defeats they are screaming for "more weapons" while their allies here gin up stories of atrocities, rapes, and even chemical warfare. What next? will they be accused of turning Ukrainians into soap and lampshades, an accusation against the Germans that first surfaced during WWI?

And as for "vaporizing the Kremlin" you are clearly ignorant of the realities of nuclear war. If Brainless Joe actually was stupid enough to try that the retaliation would be devastating, not only from land-based ICBMs but also sea launched missiles from Russian "Boomers". Grow up! This isn't a football game and if it escalates to World War Three most of the world will suffer.

Figures that you would be on the side of a dictator that invaded another country. Might makes right should be the motto for the republicon party.
 

SteelrFn

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"My administration is authorizing $800 million in weapons, ammunition, and other security assistance to Ukraine"
~Joe Biden Tweet
"That comes out to less than your administration gave to the Taliban"
~Candice Owens response
 

standardparts

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Figures that you would be on the side of a dictator that invaded another country. Might makes right should be the motto for the republicon party.

"invaded another country" Not always limited to a "dictator". In the case of the United States we have a long history initiating regime change which may or may not include an outright invasion but often comes with the blessing of both Democrats and Republicans.

United States involvement in regime change - Wikipedia
 
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