- Dec 21, 2012
- Brisbane Qld Australia
One of the biggest construction companies here had a habit of refusing to pay subcontractors they didnt need anymore,and sending them broke.
I certainly would not insult a customer by calling to ask when they intended to pay unless it was very late, like more than a month.
but when you start asking for special stuff in their office
Its got a lot to do with your attitude....if you accept bad payers and bad debts as just something that happens,it will happen a lot.......If you let the bad payer know for sure he s made a bad choice ,and back it up,its surprising how quickly the word spreads.......the habitual bad payers try their tricks on someone else .
I don't believe that that any large company with on staff accountents make any accidental payments that short venders. They play all kinds of games to delay payments even when they don't have to. How many times have any of you been over paid on any invoices?
if you've got a hair trigger are ready to go to 100% boil in a heartbeat, don't interact with customers. You have to figure that out; imo its too hard to get customers to go and run them off.
Absolutely they do. See my previous comment.Decent sized businesses don't go around screwing vendors for 4000 when they've issued a PO and received the goods.
I have a delivery receipt, and proof of delivery.You did screw up not getting a signed packing slip/receipt for the goods.
I can't think of one of my vendors I have terms with that would be OK with me taking another 15 to 30 days. In fact, I have terms with 3 vendors. I forgot to call and pay the one in the 30 days and on the 31st day they called me to ask how I would like to pay.30 days terms are often 45 or 60 in reality.
Its almost comical though when you get little shop freaking out on day 31 because the check hasn't arrived. Next
4 weeks over due is the limit for that patience and politeness. Week 5 means I start contacting like I did.Just be a bit patient, polite and persistent.
Did you ever tell us the amount of money involved here?
As to small claims court, years ago I went over a $200 unpaid invoice. The other party didn't show up so of course I won. But, that's only the first step, to collect you have to hire a lawyer to go through the next phase of collection. The lawyer I contacted advised giving up since his bill would be substantially more than the $200 with no assurance I would collect anything. So it was an education that cost me $75, $25 filing fee an $50 to serve the other party.
I am a one man shop, and I still manage, when sick, or on vacation, to put an "out of office" alert, or reply to important time sensitive emails. Everywhere I have ever worked, my machine was covered, my work was covered by someone while I was gone, whether sick, or vacation.
Yea, there's a local place. They have lots and lots of work available. Low paying work, but lots of it. 90 day terms. 120-150 day actual payments.
My wife manages a team that handles close to half a billion dollars in short payments PER YEAR. She would argue that you are very incorrect with that belief. Over pay, never. Short pay, as much as possible.
If they don't pay they are not a customer. They are a thief. They have stolen my time, which is more precious to me than anything. If they are incompetent why would you want them as customers?
I interact with all of my customers. Some of them have become friends. This is the first one in 12 years. I do not think it is a ME problem.
Absolutely they do. See my previous comment.
I have a delivery receipt, and proof of delivery.
I can't think of one of my vendors I have terms with that would be OK with me taking another 15 to 30 days. In fact, I have terms with 3 vendors. I forgot to call and pay the one in the 30 days and on the 31st day they called me to ask how I would like to pay.
Do you pay your vendors in 45 to 60 when your terms are 30? What's the name of your business?
Maybe you missed the point that it was 30 days late, not 30 days. With your math, then I'm at 60. That's still OK by you? Is 61 still OK by you? What about 91? 101? When should I start caring?
4 weeks over due is the limit for that patience and politeness. Week 5 means I start contacting like I did.
Sometimes yes. I know this is very bad. Just got a note from a big Mc supplier that I am over 60....
Do you pay your vendors in 45 to 60 when your terms are 30?
Do not assume that because you think you are right(certainly seems so) that you will win. You could lose and that will cost you,including their lawyer.
I'll go back to crying myself to sleep over the injustice the OP is suffering.
oh the humanity.....
You seem to poke fun at the OP's problem, while gloating of your sudden resolve of your own business debacle.
That is not good... for you.
Don't step on any cracks on the sidewalk triumph.
For the first time ever I agree with you, the last paragraph was not neccassary.
Small Claims Court does not allow lawyers, nor witnesses. Documentation, SOLID documentation is what wins.
Although not a machinist, I've sued several people for exactly that same thing: refusal to complete payment on delivered work. And with documentation of the agreement, documentation of the work, documentation of the delivery, I won every time.
And, it was all simple. However, there are caveats: small claims can't be brought across state lines, and there are limits to the amount claimed. It often takes a while for the case to go through, and sometimes the f*ckers will simply not pay up even after a court order. But, there are ways even in that case...the court can be very helpful in these matters, and having the county Sheriff show up to serve them papers and seize assets can be a fun thing.