Afghanistan sucess or failure?

[EmGo]

Anyone with even basic knowledge of the history and culture of the place could have easily predicted the outcome.

Pretty sure anyone did. A lot of anyones. A world full of anyones, in fact. And the US already had the experience of Vietnam to teach them.

To me, the real question here is why are Americans so stupid ?

 

[cnctoolcat]

Wrong. Boston Marathon bombing. And lets not forget January 6 2021

These two attacks were by Americans, not Islamic terrorists trained in Afghanistan.

And you liberals really are nuts, trying to compare 1-6-21 to 9-11-01.

Oh, and the middle-eastern terrorists are smart; they won't attack the United States mainland until after 2024, when we're most likely to have a Republican back in the White House. Gives them plenty of time to recruit and train the best.

A later attack creates political havoc as well (as if we don't have enough), as the Democrats will blame the Republican President, since it happened on his "watch".

 

[Gobo]

Boston Marathon bombing? You mean the federal drill that went live?

And we know you'll NEVER forget Jan. 6 because it's all you have. A protest that turned into a riot with help from undercover agitators, ANTIFA, and Nancy Pelosi's Capitol Police.

Funny how so many of those "unindicted coconspirators" are the people who committed the worst acts.

My friend, you really should seek professional help. No rational mind could believe such a tale.

 

[Gobo]

These two attacks were by Americans, not Islamic terrorists trained in Afghanistan.

And you liberals really are nuts, trying to compare 1-6-21 to 9-11-01.

It does not matter where the scumbags were born. They were attacks meant to instill terror.

 

[standardparts]

It does not matter where the scumbags were born. They were attacks meant to instill terror.

Like in Portland?

 

[Trueturning]

Yeah cool ... what you are describing is, a family where the dad is an alcoholic and beats the kids, mom does smack and turns tricks to pay the rent and gas bills, the son pulls the legs off cats to watch them die, and daughter is pregnant with dad's last fling. The roof leaks like a sieve and the leach lines to the septic tank are all clogged, yard stinks like a sewage farm, got a brandy-new pickup out front tho (until the bank figures out where they really live). But they think the neighbors two blocks over aren't doin' good, so they pick up the thirty-ought-six to go tell them how ta improve their lifes.

Good idear, True. Hope you were happy to contribute 30% of your taxes for that.

Which reminds me ... plenty of people think this whole thing was a total fuckup. But you live in a democracy, not some consarned dictatorship. So how did that work out ?

Looking at you, PeteM

I am relating how we did things and not agreeing with the value of nation building. EG seems to think we are imperialistic and that we do evil wherever we go. I am pointing out the fact that we influenced positive things since we were involved.

I wanted to be out of there some time ago and I had family two of which served there and so I do know something about it. We were not there to take over the country and what happened is that our leaders could never leave and never saw much effort at all by the Afgan Army to deal with their own country and fight for it.

That they do not wish to do that means we are interfering and that they need to be left alone. I am glad Biden is going through with it. Even many of the Afghans who were with us did not even think the Army would collapse. No surprise to me name one major offensive or two which they did.

These. Supporters have now decided they want to leave given the collapse meaning thousands now are in line. No other way to do this and the Taliban are standing back because it suits their objective. Just let us leave. Better than fighting. Time to go.

 

[EmGo]

Like in Portland?

Portland was just riots. Sorry, not the same.

I am pointing out the fact that we influenced positive things since we were involved.

You can't even do positive things at home without a huge scream from half the lovely citizens, why would anyone think it'd work better in an ancient, tribes-and-hate culture like Afghanistan ?

It was obviously beyond dumb from the word go, and by the way, about as hypocritical as you can get. Or did you forget the 1980 Olympics boycott, when the self-righteous US wouldn't go to the Olympics because the nasty evil communist Soviet Union had invaded yet another country, to enforce their nasty evil failed communist ideology on a populace that didn't want it ?

Have you seen any impartial people around who might have noticed something was not right with this ?

 

[Scottl]

My friend, you really should seek professional help. No rational mind could believe such a tale.

You lefties are fond of telling anyone who you disagree with to "seek help". Based on the nonsense most of you believe perhaps the wrong person is giving the advice.

I know what I'm talking about with the marathon bombing and especially the "search" for the younger brother.

This event has been held every year for a long time. Security has always been handled by State and local police, who know the area and the people. That year Boston was swarming with the feds and their contractors and Boston police were largely shoved aside. And also unlike other years a bomb went off not very long after the locals were told there would be a security bombing drill.

On the day they were "searching" for the younger brother I was up early as usual and watched some news before going to work. They told all of us to "shelter in place" because a dangerous suspect, "armed and dangerous" was loose in the area.

I retrieved my 92 and secured it on my person just in case we got a visit from the terrorist. I did as told and we stayed home. As the coverage continued we saw a very strange sight. SWAT teams were going door to door pulling people out of their homes in their pajamas while the news cameras filmed. We soon got word through the jungle telegraph that people who didn't answer the door were left alone so it was obvious this was theater for the TV.

Meanwhile, hordes of State and local police were herded into a large parking lot where they stood around having coffee and donuts.

Eventually, after a "shoot out" that severely wounded the suspect and damaged many homes and other property they took the UNARMED suspect into custody.

We later found out that the SWAT teams who committed the worst outrages against innocent citizens were from as far away as Manchester, NH.

The whole thing was a clusterflop start to finish. OUR local police know the area and they were mostly barred from participating in the search. Even more disturbing, the search area was artificially limited to just before the area he was hiding in and they refused requests for locals to search that area.

As for the "Capitol Insurrection" bullshit, I've seen extensive footage of it and those were the strangest "Trump supporters" I've never seen, with lots of "man buns", white guy dreadlocks, and other get-ups almost never seen among real Trump supporters. ANTIFA, who had been telling their members to dress as Trumps supporters and infiltrate the rally.

And then there's the bizarre behavior of GROSSLY UNDERSTAFFED Capitol Police removing barricades, opening doors and waving the crowd in.

 

[woodchuckNJ]

Boston Marathon bombing? You mean the federal drill that went live?

And we know you'll NEVER forget Jan. 6 because it's all you have. A protest that turned into a riot with help from undercover agitators, ANTIFA, and Nancy Pelosi's Capitol Police.

Funny how so many of those "unindicted coconspirators" are the people who committed the worst acts.

so twisted. so demented.
how can people like you lie to yourselves every day and look in the mirror?
Do you all see trump in that mirror? I mean the man lies about everything.. and so do you.

maybe you should join the taliban, they are looking for a few low lifes.

 

[dalmatiangirl61]

These two attacks were by Americans, not Islamic terrorists trained in Afghanistan.

Not quite, quotes from wikipedia
"Tamerlan Tsarnaev was born in 1986 in the Kalmyk Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, North Caucasus. Dzhokhar was born in 1993 in Kyrgyzstan, although some reports say that his family claims that he was born in Dagestan...... The Tsarnaev family immigrated to the United States in 2002 where they applied for political asylum, settling in Cambridge, Massachusetts."
Boston Marathon bombing - Wikipedia

 

[EmGo]

The Tsarnaev family immigrated to the United States in 2002 where they applied for political asylum, settling in Cambridge, Massachusetts."

Muslims seeking asylum from religious persecution ?

 

[pavt]

Afghanistan was a great success for the defense contractors and heroin dealers. US foreign policy is like that. The stuff on TV about "making the world safe for democracy" is for the gullible. Think about it: technically, the Vietnam war never happened. For legal purposes. Follow the dollar.

 

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