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American Lathe RPM fault in low gear only

sparkyjf

Plastic
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Jun 16, 2023
Hello all. Some background: Here at the shop, we have an American lathe that we are starting to experience some issues with. This machine was installed sometime in the 1940's, and has had a new motor installed as well as drive system within the last 20 years (DC).
We have always been able to thread on this machine as intended without any issues. However, when trying to thread the end of a Mandrel shaft in low gear, when the system comes under load, the RPM decreases. With each cut (increased load), The RPM slows down more and more, until it reaches the 10% RPM deviation range, and then the system faults out, ultimately wiping out the threads and ruining the part. When we attempt to thread in high gear, there are no issues and it makes the cut fine. In low gear, our machinist who runs the machine typically cuts around 70-75 RPM, and has never had an issue until now. We tried to change the fault % to 20 but it still slows down more and more until it faults. We took out the clutch brushes and they definitely needed replaced from wear, however this proved to not be the issue after the machine faulted again with the replacements. I haven't been able to find anything related online, and I am not sure what to look at next. Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated!

Disclaimer:
I am an entry level electrical engineer, with no knowledge on these old systems and no mentor here at our shop, so bear with me if I don't understand something or misspeak on terminology.
 

Dan from Oakland

Titanium
Joined
Sep 15, 2005
Location
Oakland, CA
What model control? Whats the machine? Does low gear use a clutch to shift- is the low gear clutch slipping- lots of possibilities-
is this a retrofitted engine lathe ?- there are no CNC machines from the 40's - 70's or 80's would be more like it but ............
 

sparkyjf

Plastic
Joined
Jun 16, 2023
What kind of threads are you turning? what material and size?
I have brought manual lathes to a stop before with heavy cuts.
10/20 material, 1.25-7 threads however the load on the cut isnt the issue, it cuts just fine in high gear, and was also slowing down while not cutting anything when we did test runs in the low gear, as well as when it was actually threading material too.
 
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sparkyjf

Plastic
Joined
Jun 16, 2023
What model control? Whats the machine? Does low gear use a clutch to shift- is the low gear clutch slipping- lots of possibilities-
is this a retrofitted engine lathe ?- there are no CNC machines from the 40's - 70's or 80's would be more like it but ...........
It is a Siemens/Vickers control system, Its an American Lathe that has been retrofitted to this control system. It has a two speed magnetic clutch, and yes, we were using the low gear when the slipping occurred, if that is what's happening. Is there any way to check if it is slipping other than checking the air gap in the brushes? We just had them replaced, and the issue still persists.
 








 
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