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Anyone have experience with the USSR surplus tools on eBay? Any good?

AZ_LEAD_FARMER

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There are tons of surplus USSR tools listed for sale these days on eBay. (Squares, optical flats, surface plates etc.)

Most of them coming from Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus....

Does anyone have any experience with these and specifically have any metrologists out there attempted to calibrate and check for accuracy.

I'd love to know how the old Cold War era Russian tools hold-up under scrutiny.
 

memphisjed

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The soviets have a very long culture and tradition of metallurgy and metal work. Even during the communist bloc era with the chunky feel the hand tools are some of the finest around (Idk about power or moving part tools).
 

AZ_LEAD_FARMER

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Three items only.. in over ten years, and it was more by accident that a-purpose:

- East German made leather-holstered toolmaker's knife-edge square/angle.

- #5 MT HCS finish hand-reamer

- shop-fab CI dovetail stright-edge

"Research", OTOH.. has been ongoing for scores of years... even when no longer a part of the "job":

"USSR" trade zone also included countries that were at least "not hostile", so not very much of it was made in Russia, proper.

A relatively few state-favored companies were de facto "monopolies", covered a given product for most of the whole "East Bloc". Bison chucks. Zeiss optics, etc.

Post-USSR disintegration? The whole economy trended more toward "rent" or percentages skimmed off petro, minerals, timber, basic foodstuffs, and primary metals - which paid more than enough for wide-spectrum import substitution.

Never mind the largest span of surface area of any "nation", the Russian Federation only has a modest headcount population, by world-standards, and an economy only about the same size as the US State of Florida.

Once the forced central planning & prioritization of the Soviet "Military-first" focus was removed in favour of forced prioritization of entities easiest to steal from? There was no longer the "economy of scale" to compete with imports, even if the means of production and the skills of the workforce had been up to it. Mostly, they no longer were. Soviet-era industries were parasitized, hollowed-out, went into decline, then vanished.

USSR's best and brightest that built those higher-tech "bureaus" had aged and died, retired, taken up pursuit of profit, or even emigrated. Very few wre replaced. Better opporuinity took up the next couple of generations that Wodka and declining health standards and reduced opportunity for education hadn't already side-tracked.

Bottom line? USSR's marginal tools were worn out and discarded a generation and more ago.

Their "finer tools" were scarcer, better preserved, but nothing really "special".. and even then easily as likely to have come from East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukraine.... Belarus... "etc.".. not all that often from "Russia", proper.

- Minor nuisance to a would-be "collector"?

- Major crippler for a present-day RF trying to keep worn-out ral, road, martime, transportation and their once-top-priority armaments industries even functional enough to do repair work, not even get near the ability to perform new production of even highly OBSOLETE tech.

South Korea is far the more capable, and far more modern. All by themselves, even.
And South Korea isn't all that large.
Great post thanks for all the info, you've really given me something to think about..!
 

jccaclimber

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I've noticed the optical flats on ebay. Concerned about getting stuff from that region nowadays.
I ordered a couple USSR made optical flats from central Ukraine. They shipped right as the orks rolled in, but made it here by some miracle. Both arrived in perfect condition. I haven't dropped either under an interferrometer yet, but from limited use I have no reason to believe they won't meet their spec. sheet.
I would buy them from a former soviet country again. Won't buy anything from Russia at the moment though, no sense helping them out.
 

jccaclimber

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We could write whole books (and some have done..) on how metrology and tools were 'owned' within their "system".. or how Ukraine was core to steelmaking, aircraft, tanks, missiles, warships, rocket, turbine, and Diesel engines,....and more.

One "mystery" as to how TF their present-day air force has been able to keep flying has to do with a stash of several hundred grounded aircraft in storage.. that Ukriane actually knows how to FIX.. and has been, once desperate enough to have no other option.

But all politics aside, while the best of Soviet tech was good enough, it was never numerous at that top-level, and not known to be BETTER than the best of Europe, Japan, or North America.

Soooo.. One can find US-made optical flats, too! And not-only those. Israel has made some neat 'treasure'. Italy...France.. Poland... the "low countries"...
Sure, but I know you understand the benefits of available right now vs. maybe eventually at a higher price later.
Edmund sells lovely optical flats to this day, but after a couple month search for something in the 100 mm range the options were $700 to $2000 new from Edmund, $50 but beat to hell here in the US used market. The whole time they were readily available from the Ukraine and a couple neighbors. Originally made in Moscow before I was born, but if it’s in great shape and available now at an acceptable price, why make things harder?
 

jccaclimber

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I’m familiar. The Van Keuren flats of a similar size on the used market cost 3x as much and tend to have chips/deep scratches. If this was old solid iron vs. Haas or horror freight I’d agree, but it isn’t.
 

jccaclimber

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Well then... JF "go for it!'

Buy up as many old Sov Bloc leftovers as you can..... if only so we chik'ns do not have to agonize over them!

:D

One of my two Davidson calibration "wedges" has a scratch on it, after all...
Not that it matters on goods of that sort.....
Already did, months ago, and have been happy with the results. Happy enough that I suggested the poster above me get past their hesitation. Perhaps you meant to quote the poster above me who was still considering it?

Side note, I also have a Soviet made micrometer. Given to me (more like forced upon me) by a family member who found it at a rummage sale for <$5 and thought it might make a nice desk ornament. It’s refer to it as a c-clamp, but it’s not square enough for that and I’d be insulting c-clamps.
 








 
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