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CITIZEN F16

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Fairly certain the OP is just trolling but.

That gets my vote. I think "My first machine will cost a million dollars" is the dead giveaway. If anyone knows someone who started like that, please tell. I am sure if they did they were a trust fund baby with the last name of Kennedy or the like.
 

kustomizer

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That gets my vote. I think "My first machine will cost a million dollars" is the dead giveaway. If anyone knows someone who started like that, please tell. I am sure if they did they were a trust fund baby with the last name of Kennedy or the like.

Most of the information shared here has been of the helpful though and it has been way more interesting than squabbling over some political crap, gives some of us a nice trip down memory lane, who knows, it may help some young folks down the road.

A million dollars ain't what it was when we started, you can spend 100k on a pickup now.
 

TeachMePlease

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Most of the information shared here has been of the helpful though and it has been way more interesting than squabbling over some political crap, gives some of us a nice trip down memory lane, who knows, it may help some young folks down the road.

A million dollars ain't what it was when we started, you can spend 100k on a pickup now.


You can spend $100K on a USED pickup right now.
 

standardparts

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For those starting out,in case it has not been mentioned. Be mindful of google street and satellite views....

Pretty easy to build a website or establish a presence on social media based on generic pics of some other facility, and an equipment list the speaks of wealth and success, when it's anything but....But then post your address that shows a house in a residential neighborhood or a building/shed/vacant lot. Hardly instills confidence in those you seek to gain trust and purchase orders from--and often the comment "can't understand why they did not call back?"

So...At least, leave any contact info to a PO Box and a phone number that preferably is pay as you go.
 

CITIZEN F16

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Most of the information shared here has been of the helpful though and it has been way more interesting than squabbling over some political crap, gives some of us a nice trip down memory lane, who knows, it may help some young folks down the road.

A million dollars ain't what it was when we started, you can spend 100k on a pickup now.

I just used an inflation calculator, one million when I started putting my shop together is worth almost exactly $500,000 now.
 

Jashley73

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For those starting out,in case it has not been mentioned. Be mindful of google street and satellite views....

Pretty easy to build a website or establish a presence on social media based on generic pics of some other facility, and an equipment list the speaks of wealth and success, when it's anything but....But then post your address that shows a house in a residential neighborhood or a building/shed/vacant lot. Hardly instills confidence in those you seek to gain trust and purchase orders from--and often the comment "can't understand why they did not call back?"

So...At least, leave any contact info to a PO Box and a phone number that preferably is pay as you go.

As long as you have pictures on your website of stacks of shiny parts on a surface plate, you'll be alright... ;)
 

Ox

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For those starting out,in case it has not been mentioned. Be mindful of google street and satellite views....

Pretty easy to build a website or establish a presence on social media based on generic pics of some other facility, and an equipment list the speaks of wealth and success, when it's anything but....But then post your address that shows a house in a residential neighborhood or a building/shed/vacant lot. Hardly instills confidence in those you seek to gain trust and purchase orders from--and often the comment "can't understand why they did not call back?"

So...At least, leave any contact info to a PO Box and a phone number that preferably is pay as you go.


I am 100% on board with the thought that you can't hide from the Sat image these days is a concern, but I would like to think that if he was to sell himself as a one-man start-up, and be right up front aboot the fact that he is in some Shidt Hole location until we see how things go, I for one wouldn't think that would red flag someone giving him (a new guy) a chance? And right now - I think that most places would be open to a new shop?

I don't see/hear quite as much begging for help anymore tho. Is it b/c they don't need the help anymore?
Or - my guess is that they have given up expecting to add help, and are reducing the work that they will take on now?
And if they can find someone to spin some work off to, I would think that option is very much on the table yet.
???

For me - yeah, I feel that Google Earth is not dooing me any favors, and that I need to git out of my own Schidt Hole.


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Booze Daily

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Well, since we're still discussing this...

I started in a kinda dumpy building in an industrial area, but one thing I made sure of was that my paperwork looked professional.
Window envelopes with company logo, stationary w/ logo, checks with logo.
If you don't act serious how will anyone else take you serious?
 

kustomizer

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Dad bought a new 1974 Jeep J10 4WD with bumpers, am/fm, 4spd, factory ac, in 75 for $3500., I was in town the other day when a guy was buying a 2500 Chevy with lots if fancy stuff. I don't know what he paid for it but it had $109,000 on the window sticker

It don't even seem possible
 

CITIZEN F16

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Dad bought a new 1974 Jeep J10 4WD with bumpers, am/fm, 4spd, factory ac, in 75 for $3500., I was in town the other day when a guy was buying a 2500 Chevy with lots if fancy stuff. I don't know what he paid for it but it had $109,000 on the window sticker

It don't even seem possible

I haven't bought a new vehicle in quite a while. Isn't there a lot of padding on options? Looks like the cheapest bare bones Jeep has an MSRP of $29K, $3500 then is $21,910.32 now.
 

TeachMePlease

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I haven't bought a new vehicle in quite a while. Isn't there a lot of padding on options? Looks like the cheapest bare bones Jeep has an MSRP of $29K, $3500 then is $21,910.32 now.


You're not buying a jeep for less than $40K right now. You can't even buy a HONDA CIVIC for $30k.

There is a disconnect between your generation and mine. Many of yours seem to think my generation whines a lot about wages, and aren't willing to work hard to have anything nice...

Average rent for a 1bd/1ba apartment in my area is just shy of $1800/mo (more than my mortgage, btw). That is not a fancy gated community, that's your average ho hum crappy apartment. In 1986 dollars (the year I was born), that was $709. Minimum wage in 2021 is $7.25/hr. So that rent is 248ish hours of minimum wage in 2021. Minimum wage in 1986 was $3.35, so the same rent was 211ish hours. So to afford the same items, people my age have to work 40 more hours.
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My house in 2021 dollars was $250K. That's only $98K in 1986 dollars. So 34,482 hours of minimum wage in 2021, or 29,426 hours of minimum wage in 1986. So a 17% increase in how much we have to work, to afford the exact same thing.

I'm not saying everyone who makes minimum wage should be able to afford a $250K house. I'm just pointing out the disparity in what our wages equate to compared to your wages back in the day. And I don't mean to single you out, just your question about "how much padding" there is in new vehicles shows me that it's not something you've done recently, and pointed out to me how there's a disconnect there.
 

kustomizer

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I haven't bought a new vehicle in quite a while. Isn't there a lot of padding on options? Looks like the cheapest bare bones Jeep has an MSRP of $29K, $3500 then is $21,910.32 now.

The J10 wasn't a Jeepy Jeep, it was a full size pickup, they make one now they call a Gladiator

Jeep Gladiator Inventory - Starting at $43,870
 

Jashley73

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You're not buying a jeep for less than $40K right now. You can't even buy a HONDA CIVIC for $30k.

There is a disconnect between your generation and mine. Many of yours seem to think my generation whines a lot about wages, and aren't willing to work hard to have anything nice...

Average rent for a 1bd/1ba apartment in my area is just shy of $1800/mo (more than my mortgage, btw). That is not a fancy gated community, that's your average ho hum crappy apartment. In 1986 dollars (the year I was born), that was $709. Minimum wage in 2021 is $7.25/hr. So that rent is 248ish hours of minimum wage in 2021. Minimum wage in 1986 was $3.35, so the same rent was 211ish hours. So to afford the same items, people my age have to work 40 more hours.
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My house in 2021 dollars was $250K. That's only $98K in 1986 dollars. So 34,482 hours of minimum wage in 2021, or 29,426 hours of minimum wage in 1986. So a 17% increase in how much we have to work, to afford the exact same thing.

I'm not saying everyone who makes minimum wage should be able to afford a $250K house. I'm just pointing out the disparity in what our wages equate to compared to your wages back in the day. And I don't mean to single you out, just your question about "how much padding" there is in new vehicles shows me that it's not something you've done recently, and pointed out to me how there's a disconnect there.

And you haven't even added in yet insurance, medical insurance, or children...

:bawling:

And I consider myself very fortunate to have married a good woman, with no student load debt between us. But raising (2) children today is NOT for the faint of heart either... Not doing that on a single machinist's income like you could in the 80's & 90's...
 

standardparts

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I am 100% on board with the thought that you can't hide from the Sat image these days is a concern, but I would like to think that if he was to sell himself as a one-man start-up, and be right up front aboot the fact that he is in some Shidt Hole location until we see how things go, I for one wouldn't think that would red flag someone giving him (a new guy) a chance? And right now - I think that most places would be open to a new shop?

I don't see/hear quite as much begging for help anymore tho. Is it b/c they don't need the help anymore?
Or - my guess is that they have given up expecting to add help, and are reducing the work that they will take on now?
And if they can find someone to spin some work off to, I would think that option is very much on the table yet.
???

For me - yeah, I feel that Google Earth is not dooing me any favors, and that I need to git out of my own Schidt Hole.


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Ox

"google view" cuts both ways.......

Pre-Covid, about 2 years now, I spent 3-4 days every 8 weeks traveling to "network" out of state, which usually meant attending an event where like minded people congregated who usually had linkage to machining...and often times once a relationship developed would agree to consider some crazy/stupid/hairbrained part production idea---so sometimes it works the opposite where someone in need of parts production who won't pass the "google view test" has to work hard to overcome predetermined "bias" from an entity that has a truly impressive presence.

Would expect machine tool shows could be one example not blowing off someone who asks questions and who's contact info implies "unlikely to purchase"----which in some cases is anything but.....
 

CITIZEN F16

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You're not buying a jeep for less than $40K right now. You can't even buy a HONDA CIVIC for $30k.

There is a disconnect between your generation and mine. Many of yours seem to think my generation whines a lot about wages, and aren't willing to work hard to have anything nice...

Average rent for a 1bd/1ba apartment in my area is just shy of $1800/mo (more than my mortgage, btw). That is not a fancy gated community, that's your average ho hum crappy apartment. In 1986 dollars (the year I was born), that was $709. Minimum wage in 2021 is $7.25/hr. So that rent is 248ish hours of minimum wage in 2021. Minimum wage in 1986 was $3.35, so the same rent was 211ish hours. So to afford the same items, people my age have to work 40 more hours.
S
My house in 2021 dollars was $250K. That's only $98K in 1986 dollars. So 34,482 hours of minimum wage in 2021, or 29,426 hours of minimum wage in 1986. So a 17% increase in how much we have to work, to afford the exact same thing.

I'm not saying everyone who makes minimum wage should be able to afford a $250K house. I'm just pointing out the disparity in what our wages equate to compared to your wages back in the day. And I don't mean to single you out, just your question about "how much padding" there is in new vehicles shows me that it's not something you've done recently, and pointed out to me how there's a disconnect there.

Do note I said MSRP plenty of vehicles sell for more than that, usually when supply exceeded demand, also I said I haven't bought a new vehicle in some time, so you can retract those two digs.

I have also constantly said machinist wages have stagnated, my last job punching a clock I made $28 an hour non union damn near 30 years ago. I have also mentioned that I often look up apartments I and relatives lived in a long time ago and put rents from them into inflation calculators. Which usually show rents have went up double or more the rate of inflation. I think you have me confused with someone else.

Maybe you should cut back on expenses, what do you spend a day on that hairdo, that must take $200 a month of hair spray, let alone shampoo. Learn from your elders, I just do my hair when I am shaving in the morning. I don't spend money on any hair products, nor do I need to worry about packing a comb or hair brush when I go places. It also cuts down on showering time, cleaning hair out of drains, and I can drive with the window down and not worry
about my hair.
 

CITIZEN F16

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The J10 wasn't a Jeepy Jeep, it was a full size pickup, they make one now they call a Gladiator

Jeep Gladiator Inventory - Starting at $43,870

I admittedly don't know my Jeeps. I have only been in a couple my whole life. My neighbor has what I think is a Wagoneer. That price is for the cheapest model I could find.
 

CITIZEN F16

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And you haven't even added in yet insurance, medical insurance, or children...

I think medical insurance is the worst of them all. I had already had two non related to machining self employment ventures by the time I got back into machining when I was 23. I approached machining jobs differently than your typical employee. I always went to work to learn as much as I could and treat the place like it was mine. I figured self employment attempt #3 will be as a machinist. To increase my exposure I job hopped, that was also a way to quickly climb the pay scale. I wasn't loyal, but at the same time I was high energy, and wanting to be as productive as possible while doing it with the least amount of expenses.

Oops, got off track. Anyway, when the cost of medical insurance starting creeping up and companies that used to even provide good family coverage for free or token payments starting asking more from employees towards the cost, a lot of workers started squawking. Most of these people had no idea what it would cost if they paid full price for the same coverage on their own. Since I was always plotting to go out on my own I knew a lot about company overhead the average employee did not.

I seriously do not think anything has blown away inflation like the rising cost of medical insurance. I am sure you spring chickens can't remember when the crap insurance was 80/20, with a couple thousand a year deductible.
As I get older, the age at what I would call someone a spring chicken goes up.
 

CITIZEN F16

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And then the government stepped in to make it affordable and now nobody can afford it

Are you talking about medical insurance and was that sarcasm? So weird, this did not come out what it said when I quoted it. The part after affordable wasn't there.
 
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