Bidspotter auctions - How To?

[Ox]

Wow Miner!

I will agree with Minors 3rd paragraph(?). The one about what riggers may actually show up..

I bought something last summer (?) and they listed 2 riggers in the SALE INFO link.
I called the first, left a message, no call-back.

I called the other one and got a voice. Voice said that they would be at the site soon, and we left it that he would call me. I didn't git that call, so I called that voice back, and he decided that they didn't git enough interest for them to go to that site. But - no point telling anyone that you agreed to rig for that you weren't dooing it...

So now I am at the end of the "removal" dates, and I'm guessing that if the other rigger was on site, that they are prolly all buttoned up and gone buh'now. So I called the auction folks, and told the voice there of my plight. THAT lady like'd to'a throttled Rigger #2, and she said that he would not be listed anymore! Then she gave me the # for their guy on site, and then he set me up with Rigger #1.

What an


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[dalmatiangirl61]

I agree with all the point others have made but want to point out the difference between Bidspotter and the auction house. It sounded like some were referring to bidspotter as the auction house, but they are just the platform; in this case IRS auctions is the auctioneer. The auctioneer has more to do with how the sale goes than bidspotter does.

I get the difference between bidspotter vs auctioneer, but bidspotter is complicit by showing the auctioneer what your max bid is. Other formats do not let the seller see max bid, just current bid, so seller can bump a bid, but they also might end up as winning bidder. In my case, the auctioneer even tried to get me to bid on some lots that I had no interest in, he knew I had no interest in them because he could see what I was bidding on. I posted some of he reasons I did not bid stronger on some of the items I was interested in, what I did not discuss in that thread was the ethics issues, lets just say it affected my bids.

 

[DanASM]

This is a great thread and I have leanred a lot and verified what I already knew. I will be referencing this thread in the future for sure.

I was at a swiss cnc auction last month and ended up bidding in a live auction online. I guess they had a live in person auction too and someone brought an 18 wheeler from CA to fill up with whatever would fit. He bid on a lot of things that he probably didnt need as much as others did. I dont know who was bidding against me, but with rigging, shipping and auction fee/tax it was way overpriced so I backed out and will save more cash for a better machine in a few months.

I noticed they had 3 x L20's for sale. They would auction the 3 off together as a group. They would list 1 for sale, and the highest bidder would have the option to buy all 3 at the same price (each), or pick which one he wanted of the 3.

 

[Ox]

These days I prefer the timed sales.

Those live ones - especially now'days with the internet in the mix, and the auctioneer trying to git through 600 lots today*, they git going too fast, and then lose track, and end up having to back up 4 bids 'till they have someone that they can confirm bid what.

I think that some of it is ligit, just busy/hurry, other times I have a feeling that they are running ahead on porpoise, and hoping that someone will jump in where they are. I have nothing but gut feeling on that, but ...


* And the thing with that is that they spend 30 seconds tying to git that last $10 out of the first 100 misc items of low value, and then they push through the $10K+ items in the same time!


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[SeymourDumore]

OK, I've decided to not play this time.
Aaand it appears it was for the better as the price of the item is already near my target.
With that I can let the cat out of the bag, I was interested in the Mori Duraturn.
It is a rather rare machine, the one in the auction has a serial# of 336, not many more built after it as that was the time of the DMG merger and many things have changed virtually right away.

 

[MountaineerMiner]

That is the one I would have picked from that lineup too.

I saw that one was made in Japan, after the merger was it the dura series that moved to California?

 

[SeymourDumore]

That is the one I would have picked from that lineup too.

I saw that one was made in Japan, after the merger was it the dura series that moved to California?

I don't really know the details, but I do know that Mori Seiki screwed that line up pretty darn good before the Davis facility even opened.
It lingered as the Dura line for a while, and they kept on adding stupid shit to both the mills and lathes ( like Y axis and milling for example ) even though the initial intent was to make a plane jane 2 axis lathe and 3 axis mill that's price competitive with the large part of the industry, but still be solid and reliable.
The Duraturns and Dura verticals were all that out of the gate!

Then this, that and a bunch of other crap was added, getting the price pretty much competing with all their other product lines.

Then the futile attempts at revamping the idea as the "Ecoline" products, only to make them all garbage.

Anyhow, some 6 or so years ago all that died and none of that is anymore...

I am absolutely serious when I say that if the Duraturn 2550 ( or it's 8" brother ) was made available again today, I'd be signing the PO tomorrow for one.
Short of that, DMG-MORI has nothing I'd want at this point.

 

[Garwood]

OK, so we've hashed out all the Bidspotter stuff here in this thread. I have a related mystery I'm curious about-

Hibid

bid.barnoneauction.com

I've never done the farm auction thing. My FIL is all excited about a few things in this bullshit auction and he tells me I should look at the pressbrake too. So I look and it's some dogshit old Wysong with a gutted control sitting in the rain lol. BUT I could use a set of forks for my skidsteer. I know exactly what they cost to buy new, delivered to my door and I know the difference between forks made for a skidsteer and forks made for a tractor with a quick attach plate. Big difference. These are all FIL tractor forks (no stepthrough). Not really what I want, but I'd give a few hundred bucks for one of them and modify it to work.

So I'm lazily watching this farm auction and I'm blown away by the level of pre-bidding going on. This has got to be the auctioneers right? I mean this auction is 80% Chinese dogshit junk and the bids a day before the auction even happens are already over full retail prices on so many things.

How does this work? People cannot be this fucking stupid in mass right? Reading between the lines this thing looks like they ordered a dozen or so containers built with the side doors and had them packed full of China shit for the trip over here. Then they lay it all out in the rain, take pictures of it and carefully plan a shill bidding strategy so they create an illusion of demand for this garbage and people bite?

Is this how it works?

 

[SeymourDumore]

Is this how it works?

That one says " Monthly Public Auction", meaning likely full of Joe-Homeowners. Not to be demeaning, but those can turn into a ferociously dumb bunch at the site of a gavel.
Auctioneer knows it all too well, so shilling it up appears to be the case.

 

[Ox]

Online Flea Market.

Cover page shows a hydra-hoe.
So, is there some real stuff in there somewhere?


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[Garwood]

Online Flea Market.

Cover page shows a hydra-hoe.
So, is there some real stuff in there somewhere?


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There's consigned tractors, skidsteers, excavators, attachments that are not china junk, but the China junk is a big majority of the items. Maybe 25% is not China junk.

 

[Vancbiker]

The Bar None auction is like any other. You have to know when to say when and drop the paddle when price goes over your limit. I bought my mini excavator at one of their auctions and it was a decent deal. Not a steal, but a decent price.

 

[mattthemuppet]

I watched a Bidspotter auction for a facility here in San Antonio and I swear the bidders must have been laundering money. I mean, paying $300+fees for 4 import 6" digital calipers? $150+fees for a Ryobi bench grinder? I couldn't take my eyes away, it was mesmerising.

 

[wmpy]

I watched a Bidspotter auction for a facility here in San Antonio and I swear the bidders must have been laundering money. I mean, paying $300+fees for 4 import 6" digital calipers? $150+fees for a Ryobi bench grinder? I couldn't take my eyes away, it was mesmerising.

I agree. Sometimes you see some good deals, but sometimes it just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Richard King]

I worked as and with a used machine dealer a number of years ago. Many times 2 or 3 dealers "Pre-Buy" all of the tools and machines from the auctioneer. Then the auctioneer "pulls the bids out of the ceiling" in pretend bids as he points behind the crowd. I also bought some things from a local rebuilder who was having an online auction. I had bid on a Cinc. universal mill but every bid I was outbid. I let it go. When I went over to pick up some other things after the auction, the owner of the rebuilding company came over and said "i wasn't going to let you get the Cinc. Mill so cheap". So he must have been watching the bids as they came in at the auctioneer company. We used a bidder number not our names. So many of those auctions are rigged.

 

[Ox]

Apparently there is 3rd party software out there that will sit at the 'putor screen and doo your bidding for you. (literally)

I had bought a cpl'a items on an online auction down in Columbus, Indiana a few years ago, and there was one swiss in the sale that just kept going - like an Energizer bunny. For HOURS! I wasn't interested in the machine and I shut it down and moved on.

When I went to pick my shtuff up a cpl days later, I talked to one of the fella's there, and he said that it went 'till about 10-10:30 that night, and they were all pissed off as [for whatever reason] they had to stay and watch it end.

The 3rd party software will wait 'til about 9 minutes into the 10 minute window before it puts up the next INCR bid on our behalf. Then it is the other sides turn. But even if the other side adds $5K to their bid, it will only increase when someone else puts up a competitive bid. So even if you have $25K as your max bid, but the current price is still $14K, and the INCR value is $100, the 3rd party can drag it out to almost $1200/hour just by themselves. Now, if the other entity is using the same tactics, you could be down to >$600/hr.


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[Overland]

Talk about crazy auction nonsense....
I was at a fairly large used equipment / some new farm stuff auction in Anderson, SC, a few years ago. They had several brushogs, 4 ft, 5 ft, 6 ft. I wanted a 6 ft.
Auctioneer started with the 4 ft's, brisk bidding, and it went to maybe $350, Sold !
"Who else wants one at that price ?" About 5 were taken.
I thunk to myself, WTF's going on here ?
Same thing on the 5 ft's.
Idiots ! Why are you all bidding ???
Getting irritated now.
6 ft's. Please stop bidding !!
Of course it went to $550; "Who else wants one ?"
Maybe it was a crooked auctioneer, but I'm convinced there were a bunch of idiots there as well.
Bob

 

[Ox]

How "crooked auctioneer"?


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[john.k]

All the auctioneers sell 10x more new China stuff than genuine disposal...........The genuine business disposal 80% of the time the auctioneers own it ,having bought out the vendor ,or the liquidator for a lump sum......Consignment stuff is mostly dealer trade ins,thats too gnarly for the dealer to sell ..........if there is a big recession next year ,then auctions will be much better value.

 

[50BMG DUDE]

OK, so we've hashed out all the Bidspotter stuff here in this thread. I have a related mystery I'm curious about-

Hibid

bid.barnoneauction.com

I've never done the farm auction thing. My FIL is all excited about a few things in this bullshit auction and he tells me I should look at the pressbrake too. So I look and it's some dogshit old Wysong with a gutted control sitting in the rain lol. BUT I could use a set of forks for my skidsteer. I know exactly what they cost to buy new, delivered to my door and I know the difference between forks made for a skidsteer and forks made for a tractor with a quick attach plate. Big difference. These are all FIL tractor forks (no stepthrough). Not really what I want, but I'd give a few hundred bucks for one of them and modify it to work.

So I'm lazily watching this farm auction and I'm blown away by the level of pre-bidding going on. This has got to be the auctioneers right? I mean this auction is 80% Chinese dogshit junk and the bids a day before the auction even happens are already over full retail prices on so many things.

How does this work? People cannot be this fucking stupid in mass right? Reading between the lines this thing looks like they ordered a dozen or so containers built with the side doors and had them packed full of China shit for the trip over here. Then they lay it all out in the rain, take pictures of it and carefully plan a shill bidding strategy so they create an illusion of demand for this garbage and people bite?

Is this how it works?

There are auctions like this all over the country. I have a friend who owns a rather large operation in Phoenix. He told me those chinese tools, attachments, containers, presses, pressure washers and multi-drawer workbenches are all packed into containers by some big company over in china and are run on a straight consignment. The auction company has no idea what is in the containers when they arrive, just told that they would be getting one or two containers a month. My local auction company doesn't get them anymore because they didn't sell well. I spose if they bring what they want they send another couple cans full o shit. They are on Ebay under Bidadoo auctions, James G Murphy in Seattle, WSM auctions in Phoenix - All over the place.

I bought a skeleton bucket/grapple attachment for about $400 early on and it looked great right out of the crate. Used it once and racked that piece of shit so bad, I cut it up for scrap. Softest steel I've ever seen, way softer than regular Chinese peanut butter steel .