Board policy on chat bots and AI?

[EmGo]

it's not always obvious if its bot or if it's someone who has been too many MBA classes

There's a difference ?

 

[dcsipo]

There's a difference ?

I did an experiment with chat GPT. The interesting parts are the responses from chatGPT. I asked in one session what humor is, and then this happened in a second session after posting the text from the first...BTW, chatGPT gives long-winded answers. I had to shorten it...

Was this from a human or an AI?
Humor is a complex and multifaceted human phenomenon that encompasses a wide range of emotions, actions, and expressions intended to amuse, entertain, or provoke laughter in oneself or others. It plays a significant role in human social interaction and communication, serving various functions:......blah blah more GPT text.

GPT:
The text you provided appears to be written in a way that is consistent with human-generated content. It provides a comprehensive and insightful overview of the concept of humor, its functions in human society, and its various forms. The writing style and depth of content suggest human authorship.

Would it shock you if I told you I just asked Chat GPT what humor is, and that was its response?

GPT:
It would not shock me if the response you received was generated by ChatGPT, as the text you provided is consistent with the type of responses that ChatGPT, an AI language model, can generate. AI models like ChatGPT are designed to provide coherent and informative answers to a wide range of questions, including explanations of concepts like humor. ...blah blah more GPT text.

Is that irony?

more GPT trashing around definitions

I meant the irony that you did not recognize the text you generated seconds ago.

GPT:
I see what you mean now. Yes, there is indeed a sense of irony in the situation where I, as an AI, generate text and then respond to that same text as if it were written by someone else, even though I generated it. This situation highlights the unique and sometimes paradoxical nature of interactions with AI. ......blah blah more GPT text.

Would you know if the same user makes a request on another session for something?

GPT:
No, I do not have the capability to recognize or track individual users across different sessions or interactions. Each interaction with me is stateless, meaning I do not retain any information about previous sessions, requests, or users. ...blah blah more GPT text.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I did an experiment with chat GPT. The interesting parts are the responses from chatGPT. I asked in one session what humor is, and then this happened in a second session after posting the text from the first...BTW, chatGPT gives long-winded answers. I had to shorten it...

Was this from a human or an AI?
Humor is a complex and multifaceted human phenomenon that encompasses a wide range of emotions, actions, and expressions intended to amuse, entertain, or provoke laughter in oneself or others. It plays a significant role in human social interaction and communication, serving various functions:......blah blah more GPT text.

GPT:
The text you provided appears to be written in a way that is consistent with human-generated content. It provides a comprehensive and insightful overview of the concept of humor, its functions in human society, and its various forms. The writing style and depth of content suggest human authorship.

Would it shock you if I told you I just asked Chat GPT what humor is, and that was its response?

GPT:
It would not shock me if the response you received was generated by ChatGPT, as the text you provided is consistent with the type of responses that ChatGPT, an AI language model, can generate. AI models like ChatGPT are designed to provide coherent and informative answers to a wide range of questions, including explanations of concepts like humor. ...blah blah more GPT text.

Is that irony?

more GPT trashing around definitions

I meant the irony that you did not recognize the text you generated seconds ago.

GPT:
I see what you mean now. Yes, there is indeed a sense of irony in the situation where I, as an AI, generate text and then respond to that same text as if it were written by someone else, even though I generated it. This situation highlights the unique and sometimes paradoxical nature of interactions with AI. ......blah blah more GPT text.

Would you know if the same user makes a request on another session for something?

GPT:
No, I do not have the capability to recognize or track individual users across different sessions or interactions. Each interaction with me is stateless, meaning I do not retain any information about previous sessions, requests, or users. ...blah blah more GPT text.

Ask it how to get a broken tap out.

Regards Tyrone

 

[dcsipo]

Ask it how to get a broken tap out.

Regards Tyrone

G{T says...dead giveaway....WD40
Removing a broken tap can be a challenging task, but it is possible with the right tools and techniques. A tap is a tool used for threading holes in metal or other materials, and when it breaks inside a hole, it can be frustrating. Here's a step-by-step guide on how to remove a broken tap:

Materials and Tools You'll Need:

1. Safety gear: Safety glasses and gloves to protect yourself from metal shards.
2. Drill: A power drill with variable speed control.
3. Left-hand drill bits: These are special drill bits that rotate counterclockwise, which can help loosen the tap as you drill.
4. Tap extractor: A specialized tool designed for removing broken taps. This tool has reverse-threaded flutes to grip and extract the tap.
5. Penetrating oil: A lubricant like WD-40 or a penetrating oil to help loosen the tap.
6. Vise grips or pliers: To grip and turn the tap extractor.
7. Tapping fluid: Cutting fluid can be used for lubrication if available.

Steps to Remove a Broken Tap:

1. Safety First: Put on your safety glasses and gloves.
2. Apply Penetrating Oil: Spray some penetrating oil onto the broken tap and allow it to sit for a few hours or overnight. This will help loosen the tap by reducing friction.
3. Drill a Pilot Hole: Use a drill bit that is smaller than the diameter of the tap. Drill a pilot hole into the center of the broken tap. Ensure that the drill is perpendicular to the workpiece and aligned with the tap as closely as possible.
4. Use Left-hand Drill Bits: Select a left-hand drill bit slightly larger than the pilot hole and insert it into the drill. Set the drill to reverse (counterclockwise) rotation. Begin drilling into the broken tap. The left-hand rotation of the drill bit may catch onto the tap and start to unscrew it as you drill. Apply gentle pressure and let the drill do the work.
5. Attempt Extraction with Tap Extractor: If the left-hand drill bit doesn't extract the tap, you can proceed to use a tap extractor. Insert the tap extractor into the hole you drilled. Turn it counterclockwise (lefty-tighty) to grip the tap firmly.
6. Turn and Extract: With the tap extractor securely in place, use vise grips or pliers to turn it counterclockwise. The extractor should grip the tap tightly and begin to unscrew it from the hole. Apply steady pressure while turning, and if necessary, use tapping fluid or more penetrating oil to lubricate the process.
7. Remove the Broken Tap: Continue turning the tap extractor until the broken tap is completely removed from the hole.
8. Clean and Inspect: Once the tap is removed, clean the hole and inspect it for any damage. You may need to re-thread or re-bore the hole if it's damaged.

Remember that removing a broken tap can be tricky, and it's essential to work patiently and carefully to avoid further damage to the workpiece. If you're unsure about your ability to remove the tap yourself, consider seeking professional assistance from a machinist or a machine shop.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

G{T says...dead giveaway....WD40
Removing a broken tap can be a challenging task, but it is possible with the right tools and techniques. A tap is a tool used for threading holes in metal or other materials, and when it breaks inside a hole, it can be frustrating. Here's a step-by-step guide on how to remove a broken tap:

Materials and Tools You'll Need:

1. Safety gear: Safety glasses and gloves to protect yourself from metal shards.
2. Drill: A power drill with variable speed control.
3. Left-hand drill bits: These are special drill bits that rotate counterclockwise, which can help loosen the tap as you drill.
4. Tap extractor: A specialized tool designed for removing broken taps. This tool has reverse-threaded flutes to grip and extract the tap.
5. Penetrating oil: A lubricant like WD-40 or a penetrating oil to help loosen the tap.
6. Vise grips or pliers: To grip and turn the tap extractor.
7. Tapping fluid: Cutting fluid can be used for lubrication if available.

Steps to Remove a Broken Tap:

1. Safety First: Put on your safety glasses and gloves.
2. Apply Penetrating Oil: Spray some penetrating oil onto the broken tap and allow it to sit for a few hours or overnight. This will help loosen the tap by reducing friction.
3. Drill a Pilot Hole: Use a drill bit that is smaller than the diameter of the tap. Drill a pilot hole into the center of the broken tap. Ensure that the drill is perpendicular to the workpiece and aligned with the tap as closely as possible.
4. Use Left-hand Drill Bits: Select a left-hand drill bit slightly larger than the pilot hole and insert it into the drill. Set the drill to reverse (counterclockwise) rotation. Begin drilling into the broken tap. The left-hand rotation of the drill bit may catch onto the tap and start to unscrew it as you drill. Apply gentle pressure and let the drill do the work.
5. Attempt Extraction with Tap Extractor: If the left-hand drill bit doesn't extract the tap, you can proceed to use a tap extractor. Insert the tap extractor into the hole you drilled. Turn it counterclockwise (lefty-tighty) to grip the tap firmly.
6. Turn and Extract: With the tap extractor securely in place, use vise grips or pliers to turn it counterclockwise. The extractor should grip the tap tightly and begin to unscrew it from the hole. Apply steady pressure while turning, and if necessary, use tapping fluid or more penetrating oil to lubricate the process.
7. Remove the Broken Tap: Continue turning the tap extractor until the broken tap is completely removed from the hole.
8. Clean and Inspect: Once the tap is removed, clean the hole and inspect it for any damage. You may need to re-thread or re-bore the hole if it's damaged.

Remember that removing a broken tap can be tricky, and it's essential to work patiently and carefully to avoid further damage to the workpiece. If you're unsure about your ability to remove the tap yourself, consider seeking professional assistance from a machinist or a machine shop.

Use a tap extractor to remove a broken tap ? Ask it what you do when you’ve broken the tap extractor in the tap !

Regards Tyrone.

 

[eKretz]

I want to see its explanation for how to drill into a tap! At least it can give those who are clueless some things to try, I guess.

 

[dcsipo]

I want to see its explanation for how to drill into a tap! At least it can give those who are clueless some things to try, I guess.

It is an insight into how chatGPT works. The most prevalent answers on the web will become the basis of the answer generation. It is not whether it is right or wrong; it is just the most repeated. chatGPT is not a "grounded" model, and there is no verification of ground truth. Use it at your own risk. If you are not sure what it says is true...well, then do not use it.

 

[eKretz]

It is an insight into how chatGPT works. The most prevalent answers on the web will become the basis of the answer generation. It is not whether it is right or wrong; it is just the most repeated. chatGPT is not a "grounded" model, and there is no verification of ground truth. Use it at your own risk. If you are not sure what it says is true...well, then do not use it.

Yes, that's why it currently sucks. Much of the drivel posted by the masses is essentially noise - especially on complex subjects like machining. They need to fine tune their source material a lot better.

All told, it seems like it will be a good system eventually for retaining knowledge that humans have built. It does not seem that it will innovate greatly in subjects like manufacturing on its own. It might however be a generator of ideas that makes humans focus and think in an improved fashion though. Sort of an automated focused brainstorming tool.

 

[Bill D]

Reminds me of 1984 and hitler and putin. Repeat the same lie often enough and everyone will think it is the truth.
We are winning the war on people's minds, jews, jewsih space lasers, drugs, insert other word here.
I saw it on the internet, it must be true.
BilL D

 

[Bill D]

Read that many schools are requiring papers be hand written, not typed. Of course they can still do IA but they will have to copy it out by hand.

 

[Thunderjet]

Read that many schools are requiring papers be hand written, not typed. Of course they can still do IA but they will have to copy it out by hand.

Great idea that.^^^^^^^^^^^

But, I have four direct relatives that are teachers. I'm sure they would say this would be problematic.

Many students are not taught cursive, or printed writing techniques in schools any more.

The requirement to write out your papers would result in many failed students, resulting in many more parents demanding changed grades and a return to typed and printed test answers.

It would never fly.

Still, a great idea.

 

[jaguar36]

Yes, that's why it currently sucks. Much of the drivel posted by the masses is essentially noise - especially on complex subjects like machining. They need to fine tune their source material a lot better.

It’s fantastic for things that can be quickly verified if they are correct and for which there is a ton of examples online. So for writing software code it can be amazingly useful. You can ask it how to write a bit of code to do something, put it into your program and then run it to see if it works or not. It works about 95% of the time for me.

I would never use it for something that I care about that I can’t immediately verify the answer.

 

[FJsapper]

Use a tap extractor to remove a broken tap ? Ask it what you do when you’ve broken the tap extractor in the tap !

Regards Tyrone.

Tsk tsk…smash broken tap with steel punch until it shatters, braze, grind, braze, grind, drill again, break second tap, flip tool cart over, quit job, realize you can’t quit or leave it’s your garage….

Hopefully I haven’t shown too much how to be human

 

[Bill D]

Reminds me of the eternal question ... I am starting a home shop what is the best lathe to buy? Let Chat bots chew on that. Or even easier, what is the best car/truck to buy.
Do they combine results from all languages or just stick to one assigned by the user. Probably not many modern machining questions being discussed on Latin language sites.
I assume they know nothing about old modern Machinst magazines touting the Myford super 7 vs the south bend 9" lathe.
Bill D

 

[jaguar36]

I assume they know nothing about old modern Machinst magazines touting the Myford super 7 vs the south bend 9" lathe.
Bill D

Here are some key points of comparison:

1. Origin: Myford Super 7 is a British-made lathe, while the South Bend 9” is American-made. This may affect availability and pricing depending on your location.
2. Size: The Myford Super 7 is a smaller lathe with a 7” swing over the bed, while the South Bend 9” lathe, as the name suggests, has a larger 9” swing. The South Bend lathe offers more space for larger workpieces.
3. Precision: Myford lathes are known for their precision and accuracy. They are often favored for fine and intricate work. South Bend lathes are also precise but may have slight variations in quality depending on the specific model and its age.
4. Availability: The availability of spare parts and accessories may vary depending on your location. In the UK and Europe, Myford parts might be more readily accessible, while South Bend parts are more common in North America.
5. Price: The cost of these lathes can vary widely based on factors like age, condition, and included accessories. Generally, South Bend lathes tend to be more affordable due to their American manufacturing and wider distribution in the U.S.

 

[Donkey Hotey]

It does not seem that it will innovate greatly in subjects like manufacturing on its own.

You nailed the essence of why I asked and this is the crux of the whole thing.

The guidance for now: if it's not spamming something and it's not painfully out of place, don't report it.

 

[dcsipo]

It does not seem that it will innovate greatly in subjects like manufacturing on its own.

It hast to become self aware first

 

[EmGo]

I did an experiment with chat GPT.

Now you should perform the same experiment with an MBA

I've never seen any point to this pseudo-intelligence before but ya know what ? if they replaced MBA's with chatgpt ? it might be an improvement.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Here are some key points of comparison:

1. Origin: Myford Super 7 is a British-made lathe, while the South Bend 9” is American-made. This may affect availability and pricing depending on your location.
2. Size: The Myford Super 7 is a smaller lathe with a 7” swing over the bed, while the South Bend 9” lathe, as the name suggests, has a larger 9” swing. The South Bend lathe offers more space for larger workpieces.
3. Precision: Myford lathes are known for their precision and accuracy. They are often favored for fine and intricate work. South Bend lathes are also precise but may have slight variations in quality depending on the specific model and its age.
4. Availability: The availability of spare parts and accessories may vary depending on your location. In the UK and Europe, Myford parts might be more readily accessible, while South Bend parts are more common in North America.
5. Price: The cost of these lathes can vary widely based on factors like age, condition, and included accessories. Generally, South Bend lathes tend to be more affordable due to their American manufacturing and wider distribution in the U.S.

Mm, worryingly accurate and sensible.

Are the regular contributors on the board going to be out of a job soon ?

Regards Tyrone