Burden of reshoring manufacturing back into USA?

[604Pook]

Need to build some automation, just go to the market.

 

[standardparts]

"I don’t know much about this ancient history."

Maybe it's time you learned a bit instead of spouting off. Unions: the folks who bought you the weekend.

"...they go to college then get a job..."

Yeah all you folks QUIT going to college and work for the rest of your life at a low paying job where you get dirty every day.

Yeah like those who post on PM are all PHDs or at the minimum have a Masters.
But....if your A/C takes a shit and your home becomes an oven, and IF you can get a HVAC knuckle dragger to show up, make sure to ask what he majored in.
Poor rozen.

 

[PDW]

Yeah like those who post on PM are all PHDs or at the minimum have a Masters.
But....if your A/C takes a shit and your home becomes an oven, and IF you can get a HVAC knuckle dragger to show up, make sure to ask what he majored in.
Poor rozen.

So what's your point?

Research scientists figure out theory and test it by experiment.

Applied scientists and engineers turn the theory into functional working articles.

Tech types like machinists make the articles for production.

Repair people swap parts to keep stuff working.

All of them are necessary but there's most definitely a knowledge/intelligence hierarchy. Sounds like you know where your position is.

An applied scientist or engineer can easily figure out how to fix their own stuff if they want to.

PDW

 

[CarbideBob]

Unsure.
Thought it was Rozen who did a post a while back on how to use propane to charge an A/C system.

 

[jim rozen]

"...your home becomes an oven, and IF you can get a HVAC knuckle dragger to show up..."

Now who's looking down their nose at the trades?

Poor rozen. His vehicles and his house, owner maintained. I'm sure if you found an educated tradesman showing up at your place, it would be "too bad smart guy, I want the charlie cheepie knuckle dragger to work on MY stuff. I get it - those with a limited background get triggered by those with formal book learning. So be it.

I wasn't the one suggesting propane for AC fills, was somebody else.

My formal education stopped at a 4 year degree, but I tell folks I've made more money overall from the four years of high school drafting, than any other degree. My employer (A Large Blue Company) doesn't pay for a degree, or for any specific talent or knowledge. They hire and promote based on how fast you learn new skills and capabilities. And yes, most hires in our program do have a PhD in physics. These days it sorta the 'you must be this tall to ride this ride.'

 

[standardparts]

"...your home becomes an oven, and IF you can get a HVAC knuckle dragger to show up..."

Now who's looking down their nose at the trades?

Poor rozen. His vehicles and his house, owner maintained. I'm sure if you found an educated tradesman showing up at your place, it would be "too bad smart guy, I want the charlie cheepie knuckle dragger to work on MY stuff. I get it - those with a limited background get triggered by those with formal book learning. So be it.

I wasn't the one suggesting propane for AC fills, was somebody else.

My formal education stopped at a 4 year degree, but I tell folks I've made more money overall from the four years of high school drafting, than any other degree. My employer (A Large Blue Company) doesn't pay for a degree, or for any specific talent or knowledge. They hire and promote based on how fast you learn new skills and capabilities. And yes, most hires in our program do have a PhD in physics. These days it sorta the 'you must be this tall to ride this ride.'

Actually, being called a "knuckle dragger" is viewed with pride by many.
"Deplorable Knuckle Dragger" = High Praise!

 

[john.k]

I just open the windows ...no need for any AC .

 

[standardparts]

I just open the windows ...no need for any AC .

Open windows and smoke from Canada or living in Phoenix makes functioning A/C a wonderful thing.
But, other than that....yeah there was a time where an open window and maybe a fan was the only option.

 

[standardparts]

So what's your point?

Research scientists figure out theory and test it by experiment.

Applied scientists and engineers turn the theory into functional working articles.

Tech types like machinists make the articles for production.

Repair people swap parts to keep stuff working.

All of them are necessary but there's most definitely a knowledge/intelligence hierarchy. Sounds like you know where your position is.

An applied scientist or engineer can easily figure out how to fix their own stuff if they want to.

PDW

"most definitely a knowledge/intelligence hierarchy. Sounds like you know where your position is."

Yep, always some kind of hierarchy or 'pecking order'. Always has-always will be.
But yet, here we are on PM which gives a guy like me with no point to make an opportunity to offer flawed opinion and engage in witty banter on PM amongst scientists-engineers-machinists. And at worst a simple click on the ignore button turns off the noise.
Seriously, there are some truly sharp and amazing people on PM that facilitate/repair/make functional the stuff others design. War stories from the past, and techniques and challenges of the present and future make for at the least a good read, and in many cases real world solutions. 'Ya just gotta love it.
Ain't PM great?
Anyway.....
Best!
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....never bored

 

[604Pook]

Open windows and smoke from Canada or living in Phoenix makes functioning A/C a wonderful thing.
But, other than that....yeah there was a time where an open window and maybe a fan was the only option.

AC is a must in the smoke we've been having. Luckily it seems the wind has blown it away from us the last few days. Was real bad for awhile.

 

[jim rozen]

"Yep, always some kind of hierarchy or 'pecking order'. Always has-always will be."

Plain talkers, that's us. So when a poster says, don't get an education, just work the rest of your life at a low-paying job, we make fun of them. Snowflakes can melt as they will, tough.

 

[CarbideBob]

I wasn't the one suggesting propane for AC fills, was somebody else.

Oh, not sure who it was.
Thought it a great understating of how A/C systems work so this was meant to be a compliment.
Did you take it as negative?

 

[standardparts]

"Yep, always some kind of hierarchy or 'pecking order'. Always has-always will be."

Plain talkers, that's us. So when a poster says, don't get an education, just work the rest of your life at a low-paying job, we make fun of them. Snowflakes can melt as they will, tough.

"when a poster says, don't get an education, just work the rest of your life at a low-paying job"
Really?
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.....never bored

 

[Freedommachine]

"Yep, always some kind of hierarchy or 'pecking order'. Always has-always will be."

Plain talkers, that's us. So when a poster says, don't get an education, just work the rest of your life at a low-paying job, we make fun of them. Snowflakes can melt as they will, tough.

I must have missed where he said; "don't get an education".

If you are not growing, you're dying. Everyone should thirst for knowledge, that is how we increase our capabilities and become better people; better for ourselves, our families and for society as a whole.

Educated is something you become through a journey of seeking knowledge. It is not something you "get", it's something you do.

Institutional indoctrination centers do not have a monopoly on higher learning Jim. They merely provide a certificate stating that a person has completed their course of curriculum - for an exorbitant fee no less.

Most people seek institutional indoctrination because that is what our society has deemed necessary in order to be considered a "business professional" - a member of "polite society" if you will.

As such; any management or technical specialist position within a sizable organization these days will require a 4 year degree at a minimum - most management positions now require a master's degree.

I have seen a number of positions where it did not matter if your degree was relevant to the job position; as long as you could prove that you have gone through "polite society finishing school", you are welcome to apply for the job.

Sure, there is good reason for some folks to go to college. However, for you to say that one must go to college or alternatively; "just work the rest of you life at a low paying job" - only reinforces the truth I have just laid out.

I don't know you, but from reading what you type and how you reply; it is clear to me that you see yourself as a higher class of human than the rest of us.

You know how to properly quote, yet you refuse to do it because we are not worth the respect of addressing directly.

When you're not trying to gaslight others with fake hypocrisy or whimsical exaggeration; You consistently mock, scoff and ridicule members here anytime an opportunity presents itself.

Who uses their real name as a username? Someone who wants to show themself off in front of the world. A man who wants everyone to know that they are engaged in discourse with an accomplished man of "polite society".

It's much harder to live a life of Liberty when you are tied up building someone else's empire Jim. I get along just fine without an indoctrination certificate or brown-nosing "business professionals" on the golf course; I believe many other folks on this forum could say the same.

 

[Ox]

Boy, that sure is a different spin on using your real name for online porpoises...

The opposite would seem to offer anonymity and not have nearly as much liability as to what comes out of your keyboard.

No?


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Think Snow Eh!
Ox

 

[jim rozen]

"I believe many other folks on this forum could say the same."

Look I'm not sure who pissed in your wheaties this morning but it wasn't me. I've used my 'real name' here since it was rec.crafts.metalworking and I see no reason to hide who I am for you. Sorry it triggers you. Have a nice day.

 

[Bill D]

As I recall the AC mix should be roughly 50/50 propane and butane. Problem is one leaks out much faster then the other and upsets the ratio. This reduces the efficiency and causes problems. I think the leak issue is really only for belt driven car units.
It is probably safe enough for home and industrial use. Just not really safe for cars and trucks that can get into accidents that spring massive leaks.
Bill D

 

[gbent]

Laugh at propane as a refrigerant all you want because of flammability concerns.

The new R 1234yf is also flammable. Brought to you by the folks that thought a half stick of dynamite in the steering wheel was a good idea.

 

[Superbowl]

Laugh at propane as a refrigerant all you want because of flammability concerns.

The new R 1234yf is also flammable. Brought to you by the folks that thought a half stick of dynamite in the steering wheel was a good idea.

It in fact is a good idea. No one is rushing to ban airbags. Like everything in the physical world there are some unfortunate issues with them. However the number of lives saved hugely the number hurt by them.

 

[jim rozen]

Heck I always thought a 1/2 stick of dynamite in the steering wheel would be a *good* idea - if the detonator was right in front of the front bumper. Folks would drive a *lot* more carefully. This would be an alternative to having the driver's seat in front of the front bumper, out in the open. Side-benefit: reduced instances of drunk driving. First one's yer last one.