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EmanuelGoldstein

Easily triggered. China Wuhan-Flu Covid has killed millions

Maybe Xi has a intel job for Mannie in Cuba.
 

Scottl

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EmanuelGoldstein it seems to you think everybody in the USA is a Fool and America is the evil, and China peasants are out buying new cars and are the most well-off and happiest people in the world.

When it seems that China's working-class people and peasants are quite poor and subject to strict rules to the point that if they say the wrong things they might get sent to a reeducation camp to get their brain in compliance.

Are you working for the Communist propaganda organization?

Here find a bit about working in China:
This man worked undercover in a Chinese iPhone factory - YouTube

Very few working-class people in the USA would trade places for the China life.

Perhaps the 6% in the USA that doesn't work think they would prefer China or Cuba lifestyle, but after a time they would wish to the old USA back..but too late.

9-9-6 work 9 to 9 for 6 days a week in the USA would likely be an average of about $54.000 a year, and that would provide a decent lifestyle in the USA.

If you look at honest videos from China small motorcycles are far more common on the road than cars, with many bicycles used in the cities. Contrast this with America where the roads are full of cars, trucks and SUVs and the motorcycles are larger. Not uncommon for an American to own at least one four wheeled vehicle, a motorcycle, a snowmobile or ATV, and a boat.

Although the standard of living in China has largely improved most of the gains are among less than a third of the population.
 

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Steel re-rod was said to be the demise of that latest Florida resort hotel failing.
likely the poor quality steel r-rod contributed to some of the 3 gorges dam problems.

So I am thinking would oak or bamboo used in place of re-rod make a longer-lasting cement structure?

Yes, SS re-rod might be best but very expensive.
 

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At least 25 dead as rains deluge central China's Henan province
By Ryan Woo and Stella Qiu
Reuters
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By Ryan Woo and Stella Qiu

today's news....
BEIJING (Reuters) - At least 25 people have died in China's flood-stricken central province of Henan, a dozen of them in a subway line in its capital Zhengzhou, and more rains are forecast for the region.

About 100,000 people have been evacuated in Zhengzhou, an industrial and transport hub, where rail and road links were disrupted. Dams and reservoirs have swelled to warning levels and thousands of troops are taking part in the rescue effort in the province.

Hopefully all the government people are on high ground..
 

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EmanuelGoldstein it seems to you think everybody in the USA is a Fool and America is the evil, and China peasants are out buying new cars and are the most well-off and happiest people in the world.
Buck, it "seems" that you failed reading comprehension really really badly. What I said was, it's not likely you can cheat a Chinese peasant out of the money for their house (which isn't theirs to begin with, you can't own land in China but that's a minor distraction from your ignorance.) Peasants will fight to the death over two yuan. They are not the easily-cheated kind.

As far as the US being evil, just look at the record.

The second part of that, which you will not be able to understand either, is that in many cases country people are the ones buying new Audis and BMW's. (The GM "Sail" was a tremendous flop. Typical dipshit US people who can't get their head around reality, they already "know how it works!" yeah right. At least GM did finally figure it out, which is why Cadyllac still exists. Of course Audi had to show them how to do it or they would never have figured it out on their own. Dumb fucks.)

When Seagate puts up a factory, they don't do it in the cities. Lots and lots of country people cut a fat hog on the inrush of foreign cash. It was pretty obvious in my own fave place, on weekends Jed and Jethro and Daisy Mae would drive their big new cars into town and whoop it up. The local city folk would normally stay home on weekends, shaking their heads.

When it seems that China's working-class people and peasants are quite poor and subject to strict rules to the point that if they say the wrong things they might get sent to a reeducation camp to get their brain in compliance.
Go jump on a brick, Buck. You don't know a goddamned thing about China. Never been there, never will be, haven't got a clue. Why don't you worry about the natives in Nairobi instead ? Or maybe Detroit, you might have actually been there.

Are you working for the Communist propaganda organization?
Do you attend Miss Beeler's School for Retarded Children ?

Here find a bit about working in China:
Like I need that ? Dream on. That fucker doesn't even know what FEC are.

Very few working-class people in the USA would trade places for the China life.
Probably true. Most americans are not sophisticated enugh to cut it in China. But I know several US citizens who do live there and love it. And one who wants to return but can't because the US confiscated his passport :) A couple are even right-wingers, which I find entertaining.

Perhaps the 6% in the USA that doesn't work think they would prefer China or Cuba lifestyle, but after a time they would wish to the old USA back..but too late.
Bla bla bla bla bla. All hot air, no substance. You don't know shit, why don't you just shut up about a subject where you are totally ignorant ?

Recapping...my memory tells me that the WSJ/NewYork Slimes etc announced that there were known cases in the USA back in Oct/Nov of 2019.
Spain (Barcelona) also reportedly found "it" in waste water - March 2019...
Oooh, now that is some great detective work, barb ! What this tells us is there was a coverup ! New York knew about this virus back in October 2019 but never said a word ! And Spain discovered it even earlier, in March of the previous year ! Now we know where the coverup originated ! Spain and New York City !
 

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At least 25 dead as rains deluge central China's Henan province
Have had massive floods in China for 3,000 years that we have records for. The whole eastern half of the country tends to be very flat. It's weird because it's usually not even raining where the flooding happens, the rains are far to the west, up in the hills.

In old times, 100,000 drowned was not uncommon. 25 ? What's that, the rounding error ? With 1.4 billion people there's enough spares to go around, no need to worry.

If you knew anything at all you could be dangerous.
 

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EmanuelGoldstein it seems to you think everybody in the USA is a Fool and America is the evil, and China peasants are out buying new cars and are the most well-off and happiest people in the world.

When it seems that China's working-class people and peasants are quite poor and subject to strict rules to the point that if they say the wrong things they might get sent to a reeducation camp to get their brain in compliance.

Are you working for the Communist propaganda organization?

Here find a bit about working in China:
This man worked undercover in a Chinese iPhone factory - YouTube

Very few working-class people in the USA would trade places for the China life.

Perhaps the 6% in the USA that doesn't work think they would prefer China or Cuba lifestyle, but after a time they would wish to the old USA back..but too late.

9-9-6 work 9 to 9 for 6 days a week in the USA would likely be an average of about $54.000 a year, and that would provide a decent lifestyle in the USA.

The Tool build shops over in China usually consist of two buildings, the Die Shop, and the Dorms where the employees live. There is no driving to work for those guys
 

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Maybe, maybe not. but you can cheat an American out of Chinese land.
My step mother is Chinese and she owned a house in China in an suburb area of a city that boomed. The land became very valuable as its value went up 40 times what she originally paid for it
She allowed her mother and brother to live there while she moved here after her and my father married. They lived at the house for about ten years
Two years ago she got the bad news her mother had passed. She decided to sell the house and told her brother he would have to move out. He refused. It got to the point she had to take him to court.
But when she flew over, the court told her basically that because she was an American citizen and her brother had lived there for ten years they would side with him, the Chinese citizen and basically gave her house and the land to her brother.
 

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Give up all that bottomland good for growing needed food to make a powerhouse dam of energy to make things to sell to other countries. Much like India giving up farm food production so they could they could grow hemp and then many starving.

Agree the China people are great but the government sucks.

Agree I should not criticize the commie leaders who are often fat and smiling, with most of the peasants slim..because so many in the USA wealthy and poor are way overweight.
 

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Steel re-rod was said to be the demise of that latest Florida resort hotel failing.
likely the poor quality steel r-rod contributed to some of the 3 gorges dam problems.

So I am thinking would oak or bamboo used in place of re-rod make a longer-lasting cement structure?

Yes, SS re-rod might be best but very expensive.

Wood or bamboo might shrink as the concrete dries with disastrous results. In Florida, were you speaking of the apartment building that collapsed? In that case design flaws and lack of repairs led to a situation where the structure had been deteriorating for years. The rebar rusted from water penetration.

In the case of dam failures very often the problem is poor quality structure (fractured rock, etc.) where the dam attaches to the natural geography.
 

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Maybe, maybe not. but you can cheat an American out of Chinese land.
My step mother is Chinese and she owned a house in China in an suburb area of a city that boomed. The land became very valuable as its value went up 40 times what she originally paid for it
She allowed her mother and brother to live there while she moved here after her and my father married. They lived at the house for about ten years
Two years ago she got the bad news her mother had passed. She decided to sell the house and told her brother he would have to move out. He refused. It got to the point she had to take him to court.
But when she flew over, the court told her basically that because she was an American citizen and her brother had lived there for ten years they would side with him, the Chinese citizen and basically gave her house and the land to her brother.

That's how it is with everything. In any legal dispute a foreigner will ALWAYS lose to native Chinese. Even defending against an unprovoked physical attack can earn a prison sentence. China regularly practices the racism and xenophobia that critics like EG and his U.S. allies constantly accuse the USA of. We treat even illegal aliens better than China treats LEGAL foreign residents.
 

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China has a serious problem with food production It takes 1 acre to feed one person. the USA has 1.2 acres of arid land per person. China has .22 acres per person so drastically short. As the topsoil becomes more depleted the problem will get worse. Yes, manufacturing income can help and seafood is an asset. Advances in fertilizers and farm practice can help. Flooding good farmland is not that good.
 

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The Tool build shops over in China usually consist of two buildings, the Die Shop, and the Dorms where the employees live.
You musta been in a tiny company. Bigger places have the workshops, the office buildings, the hospital, a guest house, the dining hall, the rec hall, and in the north the whole heating system. Usually walled in, with gate guards, like a medieval city. Pretty cool. Was walking around at one of our friend's places and came up against a huge wall ... what's this ? Nanjing city wall. Extremely cool.

Maybe, maybe not. but you can cheat an American out of Chinese land.
My step mother is Chinese and she owned a house in China in an suburb area of a city that boomed. The land became very valuable as its value went up 40 times what she originally paid for it
She allowed her mother and brother to live there while she moved here after her and my father married. They lived at the house for about ten years
Two years ago she got the bad news her mother had passed. She decided to sell the house and told her brother he would have to move out. He refused. It got to the point she had to take him to court.
But when she flew over, the court told her basically that because she was an American citizen and her brother had lived there for ten years they would side with him, the Chinese citizen and basically gave her house and the land to her brother.
Left the whole quote for reference, I'm sure this is what she told you so she could save face but nope. Like in the US, she fucked up. I've lost twice in small claims, too, and it wasn't because I have green eyes (and a little blood dripping out the corner of the mouth), it was because the other guys were better prepared or had a better case.

Short reply is, she never owned any house. People do not own houses in China. You get a lease. It's more convenient to say "owned" but it is not accurate.

Second, they would never tell her "because you are an American citizen." First, because they would never say that and second, why would they even know ? If her hukou was from that city, no way to tell. They don't brand your forehead when you get US citizenship. Bazillions of Chinese people living overseas.

There are lots of regulations concerning property "ownership" and this sounds like a family argument. I've seen a couple of those up close. Was her name the only one on the green real estate certificate ? Were there residence requirements she didn't fulfil ? You said it was "in the suburbs" but Chinese cities don't have suburbs the way you think of them. They are not individual houses on plots of land. They are shabby rundown apartment buildings that get knocked down and a new thirty-story building gets put up. People hang onto those because they know they'll make out when redevelopment comes but they aren't worth big money until that time happens. Was it redeveloped ? in that case, the people living there get the money and the new house, not some absentee landlord. Besides which, many cities now have regulations about how many houses a family can own - usually two, one for each spouse, sometimes only one.

There are a lot of rules about these things. A really lot. If you haven't coverd your ass, you're going to lose out to the person who has. Sounds like brother was smarter.

Agree the China people are great but the government sucks.
What the fuck do you know about it ? Seriously ? Do you know even ONE government person ? Have you ever done anything to, with, or from any of the Chinese governments ? (I personally have a beef with one of the electricity department guys in Dongguan who cheated at cards, flat took my money and laughed about it. But later on after they got me totally drunk so I couldn't walk, the mayor left his best concubine to pat my back while I threw up all night. That's surprisingly comforting. And yeah, I recovered, but only once. If it was olde dayes she'da made it into the palace easy. Talk about a ten, damn. So all in all it worked out even, or in fact maybe in my favor. Yup, come to think of it, I'd let him cheat me again. It was worth it.)

As the topsoil becomes more depleted the problem will get worse.
Yeah, this can happen after the first 3,000 or 4,000 years of continuous agriculture. Wtf is between your ears ? In reality, as they have changed from night soil to nitrogen fertilizers, the topsoil condition has improved. Still not a great situation but if you used your brain for a change you'd say less silly stuff. Maybe.

Flooding good farmland is not that good.
Better tell the Egyptians, who depended on this for thousands of years. In fact "flooding good farmland" is what makes it "good farmland".

That's how it is with everything. In any legal dispute a foreigner will ALWAYS lose to native Chinese. Even defending against an unprovoked physical attack can earn a prison sentence. China regularly practices the racism and xenophobia that critics like EG and his U.S. allies constantly accuse the USA of. We treat even illegal aliens better than China treats LEGAL foreign residents.
Oivay, another person who has never been within 10,000 miles of the place just has to Tell Us How It Is. Coming from someone who couldn't tell a bathroom attendant from a homicide policeman, this is pretty rich.

First off, statistically speaking, there are no unprovoked physical attacks. If you strangle a xinjiang separatist knifing kindergarteners, you're going to get a medal, not prison time. Physical attacks were pretty much restricted to foreigners in bar streets anyway, which is partly why nowadays bar streets are few and far between. Physical violence has been looked down upon since the Warring States period and is one of the reasons Chinese people are not fond of the late Qing warlords period. They've got a few thousand years of habit, going a different way.

About the other, if brains were dynamite I hope you don't catch cold. How many Chinese cops do you know ? (Generally conflicts don't go to court they are settled at the police station.)

Policemen and foreigners, lessee ...

There was the time ages ago when the local cop station in southwest Haerbin wanted to go fishing and borrow our j/v van ... our driver was sick so they took me. License ? We don' gotta show you no steenkin' license ! That was before many people knew how to drive, but they thought it was hilarious when we drove through the toll booths without stopping and the toll takers got this hey ! hey ! hey ! screaming attack seeing a foreigner blast through. Hey mon, I jus' following orders ... And even better when I didn't notice that Haerbin put the red lights in a weird place, so we ... umm, went through a couple, laughing all the way. And hoping they'd rescue me if there were an interdepartment conflict. No guarantees on that, they might have thought that was funny, too. Foreigner goes to prison, heh heh heh, hope he likes cold mealy rice soup :)

And when the Assist and I were riding a bicycle in the crosswalk under the green and some damn fool on a scooter not only ran the red but managed to come all the way across the intersection and still hit us ... Assist went to the hspital to get her scratch looked at which left her mom in a screaming match with a drunk bystander who thought Chinese girls riding behind foreigners on a bicycle was a disgrace, 10,000 spectators watching with interest, taking bets on who'd win I guess, meanwhile the perp was trying to escape so I had to hold the scooter with one hand and him with the other, good thing the cops did finally arrive. Next morning when he didn't show, the desk guy gave us his address and said to go collect him but better take a stick, lots of times those migrant workers hang out together and he might try to hit me ha ha ... luckily he showed, the upper-level negotiating officer was extremely astute and handled the whole thing better than any law enforcement I've ever known in the US.

Or the time the taxi driver tried to kill me so I knocked his mirror off. That got me a ride off to the station on the back of the cop motorcycle (they seem to be a little lax about these things, didn't even have to wear a helmet) and a four hour argument with the taxi driver before I got tired (it was 2:00 a.m. by then) so I gave in and paid him ten yuan ... probably should have stood my ground but they were all pushing for a face-saving solution and he wanted fifty so what the hell ...

Or running down the train platform with six year old Luo Pei in one hand and her grandma in the other with half a dozen vicious commnist thug policemen chasing us, "Stop that foreigner ! Stop that foreigner !" good thing they were lazy and gave up quick, I'm not a good runner.

Then just last year when I got kidnapped over a bottle of chocolate milk ... that was awkward because when I sneakily called 110 but didn't know the address of where I was ... but they did figure it out and finally came to rescue me, and they gave the perpetrator a stern warning about kidnapping foreigners. I think the cop actually paid for the chocolate milk personally, because I saw it in his hand later. Either that or he liked the same brand.

And oh yeah, the Assist's best friend collects cops, she's on her third or fourth one now, from talking to them I've learned quite a bit about how things work. To be honest, quite a bit more than Mr Scottl here who's never even seen a Chinese policeman and, as I mentioned, couldn't tell one from a bathroom attendant.

Oh. To be totally impartial, one did speak rudely to me once about getting out of the road when the light's red, idiot. That was when the current thing of putting the left turn lane on the right-hand side of the road was new, so I fucked up. But still, he didn't have to call me bai chi :(

(The left-turn lane is now often in the middle, which is even stranger, but luckily I don't have to drive, can just watch the zoo from the passenger side. Why so many here think the hallmark of success is having a car, jeeze. Not needing the damn thing is so much nicer.

And the whole bicycle thing has kinda fallen apart too, now there's mini-rent bikes, thousands of them everywhere, so no one rides their own anymore. If you have to go three blocks it's cool, pay a few fen from your phone and wahla, ride three blocks and hop off. It's great.)

Oh yeah, it's a terrible place, damn commnist government ... did I mention "bai chi" ? Looks like it's not just me.
 

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Emanuel Goldstein China is a wonderful place, people get exactly what we decide they deserve and they better like it or else. There is no better place to live, except for North Korea where the people are happy,, even more obedient, and bow to their superiors.

But I do agree that for having so many people and keeping them all alive/fed China is a wonder.

Poor quality dams are a good thing because they help to reduce the population when they burst.

I know it would be better to just grind up those disobedient poor people for an additional food source but the other countries would balk at doing that. When we own the world we will do the proper thing, grind them up.

Just wait until we take over Taiwan and the USA so the world will become a better place with all of them under proper rules.

Yes, I do agree that our government and our country, the USA is far from perfect with many people overweight and throwing away a dollar's worth of paper towels every day when some people in the world have to live on less than that much money.

We could save that paper towel money and sent it to China so the China people would have more to eat..but the local government guy would put that money in his pocket...darn

But who cares, with the USA, China, Muslim radicals and Russia hell-bent to want to blow up the world, and likely soon to happen. I guess all the big governments are out of whack and think they will have a safe place to hide when things go KaBoom..

Emanuel Goldstein what position do/did you hold..have you ever worked in China as a lathe operator, grinder hand or any common skill or labor job?

I was a labor and skilled worker and an engineer and did very well, had a good life with owning a house, having good cars, boats, nice vacations, sent my kids to higher learning (one to college and one a high-grade trade school and I am just a dummy who was willing to work..and yes, started a grinding shop. Yes, I would wish such a life to China working people, they deserve as much.

A darn shame, I talked about the 3 Gorges Dam and the conversation went political,

Re: Mind you own business Buck, that dam will last forever, just like the great wall, China can do no wrong, we are perfect, you will see.
 

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China has a serious problem with food production It takes 1 acre to feed one person. the USA has 1.2 acres of arid land per person. China has .22 acres per person so drastically short. As the topsoil becomes more depleted the problem will get worse. Yes, manufacturing income can help and seafood is an asset. Advances in fertilizers and farm practice can help. Flooding good farmland is not that good.

Yeah, seafood is an asset alright. The problem is that China has already fished out most of their coastal waters and now Chinese fleets are going around the world strip-mining what until recently were sustainably managed fishing grounds. Worse yet, they've done the same thing at the Galapagos, threatening some rare species with extinction.


Because China faces a food crisis they are scooping up any kind of edible marine creature and NONE get thrown back for being too small.


They totally disregard other nations' sovereign rights in coastal waters.


Another dirty little secret is the source behind much of the low value plastic in those massive floating islands of plastic trash, but that's a subject for another time.
 








 
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