CNC Live Tooled Lathe

[BarnFab]

Hi,

I am considering getting a Live Tooled Lathe with Sub Spindle and Bar Feeder. Currently the leading contender is the Okuma GENOS L3000MYW-E X 400 with an Quick Load Servo 80 S2 Bar feeder.

Looking for any feedback or comments on the setup or even alternate options. Budget is around $200k and I am only interested in Live Tooled and Sub

Thanks,

Brad

 

[BROTHERFRANK]

Takisawa (Japan) TS-4000YS or TS-3000YS. Stocked in Long Beach, CA and supported by Yamazen in Yorba Linda. The Servo 80 is a very nice bar feeder and what is commonly installed with it.

 

[Ianagos]

If you are ok with used I have an integrex 100 mk4 ST. For sale soon possibly

 

[BarnFab]

If you are ok with used I have an integrex 100 mk4 ST. For sale soon possibly

Not much support around SOCAL for MAZAK's from what I can see but haven't really looked.

What's the details and why are you selling ?

 

[Ianagos]

Not much support around SOCAL for MAZAK's from what I can see but haven't really looked.

What's the details and why are you selling ?

Ah their support here is great. And Mitsubishi is great to deal with for the electronics. Now typically I just do the phone support as well every time so far I’ve had my machine fixed in a day this way and it was free.

I’m selling because I’m close to purchasing a newer integrex I-200 ST

Edit to add:
I haven’t had to fix the machine much
Once was right after I got it moved some electronics issues (MDS power supply replaced) and a drive backup battery died

And the other was the X2 axis belt ripped. (It is belt driven with encoder on the screw and the motor.) holds .0001” even when the belt was half ripped but it started to skip teeth on rapids and error out

 

[cnctoolcat]

Hi,

I am considering getting a Live Tooled Lathe with Sub Spindle and Bar Feeder. Currently the leading contender is the Okuma GENOS L3000MYW-E X 400 with an Quick Load Servo 80 S2 Bar feeder.

Looking for any feedback or comments on the setup or even alternate options. Budget is around $200k and I am only interested in Live Tooled and Sub

Thanks,

Brad

Okuma would be a great choice!

Every top-line builder offers a full line of Y-axis, live-tooled, sub-spindle lathes.

If you're buying new, the prices should be similar for top-shelf equipment, so it boils down largely to service and support in your region.

Good luck on your decision, and keep us posted!

ToolCat

 

[Billy_C]

How are you going to be programing it and what kind of parts/variety of parts will you be doing?

 

[BarnFab]

How are you going to be programing it and what kind of parts/variety of parts will you be doing?

Program will be via CAD but I am guessing that is not what you are actually asking.

I currently us Solid Works and Fusion 360 but if I get a Live Tooled Sub setup I will probably look to get Esprit or similar as the cost will be justified by the time saving but I will try Fusion firstly.

 

[DouglasJRizzo]

Hi,

I am considering getting a Live Tooled Lathe with Sub Spindle and Bar Feeder. Currently the leading contender is the Okuma GENOS L3000MYW-E X 400 with an Quick Load Servo 80 S2 Bar feeder.

Looking for any feedback or comments on the setup or even alternate options. Budget is around $200k and I am only interested in Live Tooled and Sub

Thanks,

Brad

That Okuma rocks. It would be 1st on my list.

 

[BarnFab]

That Okuma rocks. It would be 1st on my list.

Thanks for teh feedback, do you have one ?

 

[Billy_C]

Program will be via CAD but I am guessing that is not what you are actually asking.

Ya, that is what I'm asking. A friend up the street from us is a brilliant machinist, can make anything on a CNC lathe that you can imagine. He does it all in the Okuma control. CAD isn't the only solution but for my shops workflow it has been the most productive.

I currently us Solid Works and Fusion 360 but if I get a Live Tooled Sub setup I will probably look to get Esprit or similar as the cost will be justified by the time saving but I will try Fusion firstly.

This is also important. Have the machine distributor show you hands on exactly what that that workflow looks like using all the features you want to use. I'm not extremely familiar with Okuma posts for either software anymore but it was essentially a deal breaker for our Multus a few years ago, so away it went in place for something Fanuc. Obviously the Multus is more complicated than the L3000 but streamlined part changeover /integrations is still essential if you are doing high mix so you are going to want it as seamless as possible. There is plenty of good hardware out there, lots of fanboys too. Figure out what works best for your entire process, not just the chip making part.

 

[DouglasJRizzo]

Thanks for teh feedback, do you have one ?

Yes, several, but none currently configured as you are looking for. I can vouch for the accuracy and the machine is rock solid. Morris gives great support too.

 

[Friar]

I currently us Solid Works and Fusion 360 but if I get a Live Tooled Sub setup I will probably look to get Esprit or similar as the cost will be justified by the time saving but I will try Fusion firstly.

We program our Haas DS30Y with Fusion and it's been pretty straight forward. There are a few little quirks to it, things I imagine you would discover with most machines. I'd give it a try before you jumped to a different software package.

 

[CITIZEN F16]

Not much support around SOCAL for MAZAK's from what I can see but haven't really looked.

What's the details and why are you selling ?

If you are in SoCal I would think there are probably plenty of independent techs, just as good or better than the factory guys.

 

[70olds]

I am a big Okuma fan as we have many here, and while I have run very similar machines to yours we don't have that exact combo. We have an L3000 but not an MYW machine but we do have an LB that is an MYW machine with an LNS Servo (basically what you are looking at just an older vintage). Those barfeeds are a great choice and at the top of my list. Very easy to use and very reliable.

 

[John Deere]

I would consider a different bar feeder. Our 80s2s are quirky. They seem to have software bugs or something. It's hard to put a finger on but of our 4 each has some quirk that's different from the rest. For example, one will sometimes just stop pushing. The lathe doesn't get a signal anything's wrong so it just continues cutting air.

We have an Iemca that we really like.

 

[Billy_C]

We program our Haas DS30Y with Fusion and it's been pretty straight forward. There are a few little quirks to it, things I imagine you would discover with most machines. I'd give it a try before you jumped to a different software package.

Same with our PUMA and Haas. Fusion and lathe stuff isn't great but it gets the job done. It's a post processor nightmare though. I imagine their integration with Okuma is worse, even now. It was non-existent when we had the Multus. Talk about a cluster f**k.

 

[BarnFab]

Ya, that is what I'm asking. A friend up the street from us is a brilliant machinist, can make anything on a CNC lathe that you can imagine. He does it all in the Okuma control. CAD isn't the only solution but for my shops workflow it has been the most productive.


This is also important. Have the machine distributor show you hands on exactly what that that workflow looks like using all the features you want to use. I'm not extremely familiar with Okuma posts for either software anymore but it was essentially a deal breaker for our Multus a few years ago, so away it went in place for something Fanuc. Obviously the Multus is more complicated than the L3000 but streamlined part changeover /integrations is still essential if you are doing high mix so you are going to want it as seamless as possible. There is plenty of good hardware out there, lots of fanboys too. Figure out what works best for your entire process, not just the chip making part.

What was up with the Multus ? That was another option we were considering

 

[DouglasJRizzo]

What was up with the Multus ? That was another option we were considering

I'm not keen on Fusion at all. I use PowerStation - where I can write my own posts and have the code just the way I like it. For really complex stuff, to me, it's Gibbs or Esprit.

 

[Billy_C]

What was up with the Multus ? That was another option we were considering

Our business is built on software CAM skills. The Multus integration into our current process just sucked. The post had to be virtually scratch built and even then it was a pain to get things up and running . We had Okuma apps and techs here for weeks. They were pumped to show us how awesome their machine was but even they had no idea how to get a machine like this to blend well with our workflow. They also had trouble dialing in the kinematics and other details from what I can remember. I haven't seen the Okuma sales guys stop in since we got rid of it.

I half wish we could take another stab at it. We have a more beefed up team now that could probably make an oddball machine like this at home in our shop.