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Completely non-flammable (zero hydrocarbon) lubricant for pneumatic cylinders?

Robert R

Hot Rolled
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Aug 27, 2005
Location
Raymond , CA
I'm looking for some help on selecting a lubricant for some pneumatic cylinders.
Any suggestions?

You have not explained yet why the pneumatic cylinder needs grease lubrication.There are dry pneumatic cylinder seals/ guide combinations used in pressure intensifiers capable of operation at pressures above 10 ksi.

Sprague Gas Boosters | High Pressure Company
Piston-Type Pressure Intensifiers - Womack Machine Supply Company

Your 1000 psi seal requirement is easy by comparison. The seals and guide rings are teflon composite polymers. They can be made to order.

Your oil free 1000 psi nitrogen supply system already makes use of such seals.
 

calderp

Aluminum
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Jul 22, 2011
Location
New Orleans
You have not explained yet why the pneumatic cylinder needs grease lubrication.There are dry pneumatic cylinder seals/ guide combinations used in pressure intensifiers capable of operation at pressures above 10 ksi.

Sprague Gas Boosters | High Pressure Company
Piston-Type Pressure Intensifiers - Womack Machine Supply Company

Your 1000 psi seal requirement is easy by comparison. The seals and guide rings are teflon composite polymers. They can be made to order.

Your oil free 1000 psi nitrogen supply system already makes use of such seals.

Thanks this is a great point. It's not really for lubrication of the cylinder it's mainly to keep the bores from rusting during long storage periods. Seems like most of the suggestions here have been for greases which don't quite fit the bill.
 

calderp

Aluminum
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Jul 22, 2011
Location
New Orleans
Lots of great info here, much appreciated. I will give Krytox a call and see if they have an less viscous lubricant that would fit the bill. Also going to look into air rifle lubes, that might be good enough for us as we don't really need anything high-performance
 

4GSR

Diamond
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Jan 25, 2005
Location
Victoria, Texas, USA
This may not apply, I'll throw it anyways. I use a couple of heat transfer fluids that have a very high flash point and not supposed to diesel on you under pressure. I deal with pressures up to 23K psi and temperatures up to 450 degrees F. Not unusual to go from liquid fluid to nitrogen in the same test fixture in the same test at temperature.

heat transfer fluid - Google Search
 

Robert R

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Location
Raymond , CA
Thanks this is a great point. It's not really for lubrication of the cylinder it's mainly to keep the bores from rusting during long storage periods. Seems like most of the suggestions here have been for greases which don't quite fit the bill.

The steel pneumatic cylinder will not rust if it is purged with dry nitrogen. It may be necessary to purge the cylinders , valves and plumbing, and cap off the supply and exhaust ports when the machine is put into long term storage.

This is a common method to protect machined or ground surfaces when grease cannot be used.

Your concern about grease ignition in a expansion cylinder is misplaced. In order for combustion to occur you need a ignition source, a vaporized fuel, and a oxidizer. All three components are missing.

Cylinder oil, for example, has a flash point of roughly 450 deg F. Your expansion cylinder is operating with gas at 1000 psi from a storage tank at ambient temperature. When the gas enters the cylinder through a fast acting valve it expands and drops in temperature. The oil film on the cylinder wall is, at worst, at room temperature. There is no vaporized fuel and there is no ignition source. Diesel engines require a fast compression cycle to generate the high temperatures required for ignition. They also require a fuel atomizing nozzle.
 
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FredC

Diamond
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Oct 29, 2010
Location
Dewees Texas
Here is another grease to look at. Omega 28 Super Fluoroether grease
Can run in contact with 90% peroxide!
Resistant to nuclear holocaust and every other thing that could wipe out life on earth.
Omega 28 is formulated to withstand direct contact with:-

Nitrogen Tetroxide
Unsymmetrical Dimethylhydrazine
Oxygen
Turbine Fuel
Ethyl Alcohol
Boiling Nitric Acid
Boiling Sulfuric Acid
Aniline
Ammonia
Molten Sodium
Hydroxide
Hydrazine
Diethylenetriamine
Fluorine
up to 90% Hydrogen Peroxide.

When the last cockroach is gone this stuff on lubricated assembles with still be working. If you accidentally get some on your hand I am not sure what solvent will get it off, maybe a sand blaster.
 

CalG

Diamond
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Dec 30, 2008
Location
Vt USA
Here is another grease to look at. Omega 28 Super Fluoroether grease
Can run in contact with 90% peroxide!
Resistant to nuclear holocaust and every other thing that could wipe out life on earth.
Omega 28 is formulated to withstand direct contact with:-

Nitrogen Tetroxide
Unsymmetrical Dimethylhydrazine
Oxygen
Turbine Fuel
Ethyl Alcohol
Boiling Nitric Acid
Boiling Sulfuric Acid
Aniline
Ammonia
Molten Sodium
Hydroxide
Hydrazine
Diethylenetriamine
Fluorine
up to 90% Hydrogen Peroxide.

When the last cockroach is gone this stuff on lubricated assembles with still be working. If you accidentally get some on your hand I am not sure what solvent will get it off, maybe a sand blaster.



Hmm, No mention of di hydrogen oxide. Strange, ......
 

FredC

Diamond
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Oct 29, 2010
Location
Dewees Texas
Yeah I have heard that di-hydrogen oxide is dangerous stuff, but I do not think it holds a candle to boiling nitric, sulfuric acid or molten sodium. Sheesh!
 

pavt

Stainless
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Jun 30, 2013
Location
20 miles north of Buffalo NY
How about silicone? Red Wing sells it in bottles for their boots. Armor All sells it everywhere. The stuff does indeed lube, and is damn near impossible to remove. They should use Armor All on condoms.
 








 
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