Could your shop make artillery rounds?

[Hobby Shop]

In the beginning of this thread the question was asked if they could make an artillery round. Big presses are just part of it. You need 50-80 ton overhead cranes to move tooling. You need the ability to move a 1000 tons of metal daily and a system in place for scrap disposal. You need buildings large enough to pull 40 rail cars in at a time. You need a few 5 axis 220” CNC rail mills to machine your dies and an in house welding department to repair them. You need a metallurgical department. You’ll need an inspection dept. You need 300 forklifts to move material around. You need spare robots and presses in storage to swap out when they break. Yes to all of the above.

There are many places in the metro Detroit area that can handle things like this. I’d bet there’s plenty of places in Pennsylvania that could handle this too.

Out source the heat treat to a company that does it better than you while you get your production line running.. As far as I know the rounds are only charged in Iowa.

 

[Rob F.]

That's incorrect, but whatever.

My Bad, Yeah, I just did a quick internet search says that Russia is out of shells and is sourcing them from DPRK and Iran. Also the head of wagner says the ukies have got 200k soldiers in and around bakmut getting ready to storm the Ruskies.
Dont the ukies have claims that 250k or so russian soldiers have been killed already? Didnt Russia start this whole mess with aprox 300k soldiers? By that math it sure does not look goood for Russia, 200k vs 50k with minimal ammo.... As scooby would say ....ruh roh/s shaggy.

Ooops that wasnt Scooby it was Astro, the Jetsons dog.

 

[triumph406]

There are many places in the metro Detroit area that can handle things like this. I’d bet there’s plenty of places in Pennsylvania that could handle this too.

How many are left? I was in Detroit years ago for the SAE show, and in driving around Detroit and the local area it seemed the local heavy industry had left the area.

 

[Milling man]

quick internet search says that Russia is out of shells

Trust the Internet less))))) We cannot know how many of them Russia has, and how many Russia produces them - but they are definitely produced here, and we are talking about large numbers.

 

[SeymourDumore]

No Dude, yours is the retarded statement.

If you read his comment' you'd know the beef I had with it.
He said it's designed to take out apartment buildings.

But, you two might as well just get a room.

 

[triumph406]

Trust the Internet less))))) We cannot know how many of them Russia has, and how many Russia produces them - but they are definitely produced here, and we are talking about large numbers.

I just hope the west can produce enough shells to defeat the Russians and send them back into the dark ages.

You fuckers deserve nothing less.

 

[Milling man]

I just hope the west can produce enough shells to defeat the Russians and send them back into the dark ages.

And I would be sure that it will be so - before all this. Now I am surprised to see how the richest state on this planet cannot solve the problem of the production of shells from the Second World War in 1/10 of the amount of that time. This is even more surprising when you consider the fact that a lot of money is allocated to supply Ukraine with weapons.

 

[triumph406]

And I would be sure that it will be so - before all this. Now I am surprised to see how the richest state on this planet cannot solve the problem of the production of shells from the Second World War in 1/10 of the amount of that time. This is even more surprising when you consider the fact that a lot of money is allocated to supply Ukraine with weapons.

I agree with you there, the US should have ramped up munition production from the beginning of the war.

 

[Milland]

I agree with you there, the US should have ramped up munition production from the beginning of the war.

We're a little too in love with the high-tech, high-dollar munitions, and so that's where the budget goes. We're idiots for not having mothballed basics for production of bullets, dumb bombs, and other necessities for actual war.

 

[john.k]

I wouldnt say that.........this war is a very peculiar situation,where the opposing force cant be denied use of rear staging areas and bases .......in any conflict its quite normal to destroy the other sides transport and infrastructure from day one with high altitude precision bombing,or missile attack............which the US State Dept has specifically excluded from this conflict.

 

[Scottl]

Man, that is just ... not correct!
Name one president ( besides this one ) that did not have intentions to play nicely with Russia's Putin?
Clinton didn't have much contact during the one month they were equals, but Bush jr, Obama and Trump, they've all tried to the best ( or worst as it may ) to appease Putin in some way.
Unfortunately, Vladimir Vladimirovics proved he was not open to any of that!


The invasion of Ukraine is the pretext for war ...
I guess that is one way to interpret it, though such interpretation requires the redefinition of logic.


Anyhow, next time I'm at my customer's shopfloor, I'll try to take a picture off the nameplate of the 500 and 600 Ton Dennison hydro presses.
One is some 30+ years old, but the other is perhaps 5?
The latter they've waited for maybe a year or more due to backlog, but if needed, I am sure the US military can find an excuse to unclog the "list" and force itself on top of it.

Not presidents but the top neo-cons. They've been subverting Russia for years in an attempt to get a new cold war going.

 

[Scottl]

Appeasement has been tried many times in the past. Every single time, it has backfired.

When a nation has set the goal of conquering foreign countries and building an empire, you can either let them do it, or fight them. If you let them do it, they will soon attack another country, and another, and another, encouraged by their success.

Just be glad that at this point we only need to provide material support, and the Ukrainians are doing the fighting and the dying. If we were to let Ukraine get steamrolled, Russia would soon be attacking NATO allies, and the US would be obligated to actually participate in the fight. But then Russia would have Ukraine's industry and military production, which had been the source of most of the USSR's military might. Is that what you're promoting?

The usual excuses for not minding our own business. Are YOUR children and grandchildren going to fight this war?

 

[Milland]

Not presidents but the top neo-cons. They've been subverting Russia for years in an attempt to get a new cold war going.

Russia's been doing a good job of subverting itself for decades. Did you not notice how poorly they initiated the invasion? It was due to massive corruption and thievery that's endemic there.

 

[Milland]

The usual excuses for not minding our own business. Are YOUR children and grandchildren going to fight this war?

No, and not yours either. But the people who are fighting the war deserve our help, and fortunately they're getting it. If they fall, the countries we have treaties with are next.

 

[standardparts]

I wouldnt say that.........this war is a very peculiar situation,where the opposing force cant be denied use of rear staging areas and bases .......in any conflict its quite normal to destroy the other sides transport and infrastructure from day one with high altitude precision bombing,or missile attack............which the US State Dept has specifically excluded from this conflict.

"peculiar situation"? Maybe, but likely someone in the current administration "over promised and under delivered". Best laid plans often go awry......Not the first time and won't be the last.
(The German/Austrian generals/politicians who came up with the invasion of Belgium/France in 1914 which led to WW1 figured it would all be over in 6 weeks or so.)
And so it goes.
Wonder what kind of per unit profit there is in manufacturing the 155mm projectile body before fill and fuse?

 

[Mr. Atoz]

A bit more on accuracy- the US M777 155 millimeter howitzer with standard shells is accurate to within 30 yards. With a blast radius of 70 yards, you are guaranteed a hit on target (with accurate targeting data).

 

[mhajicek]

The usual excuses for not minding our own business. Are YOUR children and grandchildren going to fight this war?

I have a 20 year old, a ten year old, and a six year old. So depending on the timeline and details, if your suggestions were followed, one or more of them could be drafted.

Have you studied WWI and WWII at all? How they began, how certain nations didn't want to get involved, and by inaction made things worse?

 

[standardparts]

South Korea will "loan" 500,000 rounds of 155mm to the United States according to Reuters.

 

[Scottl]

I have a 20 year old, a ten year old, and a six year old. So depending on the timeline and details, if your suggestions were followed, one or more of them could be drafted.

Have you studied WWI and WWII at all? How they began, how certain nations didn't want to get involved, and by inaction made things worse?

Yes I have, including all the things that eventually provoked war including the horrible Versailles Agreement that carved post WWI Germany like a roast turkey. I also know that the bankers originally supported Hitler because they wanted a "strong man" who could enforce the brutal economic measures.

I also see the parallel between the decades long run up to the Ukraine situation and all the provocations that led to WWII, including the US's constant thwarting of Japanese ambitions to be more than just a small inconsequential foreign nation. Pearl Harbor was by no means "totally unprovoked".

I also just saw the Trump interview with Tucker Carlson where he said that Putin would have never invaded Ukraine while he was in office because in private meetings he had threatened "terrible things" (or something close to that) if he did. He had made similar threats to Xi if he invade Taiwan.

And a warning for those idiots and madmen so eager to race into ever escalating war:

"The greatest problem we have is not global warming it's nuclear warming. All it takes is one madman."
- Donald J. Trump

Decades ago I worked on these nuclear missile programs so I FULLY understand the consequences of actually using them vs as a deterrent.

 

[dcsipo]

I also just saw the Trump interview with Tucker Carlson where he said that Putin would have never invaded Ukraine while he was in office because in private meetings he had threatened "terrible things" (or something close to that) if he did. He had made similar threats to Xi if he invade Taiwan.

And a warning for those idiots and madmen so eager to race into ever escalating war:

"The greatest problem we have is not global warming it's nuclear warming. All it takes is one madman."
- Donald J. Trump

Decades ago I worked on these nuclear missile programs so I FULLY understand the consequences of actually using them vs as a deterrent.

And you came away from watching Trump on Tucker; yeah, that is the guy I want to have control over the nuclear football? Wow, just wow. 75% of the people disagree with you.