Could your shop make artillery rounds?

[reggie_obe]

What if we deploy a few railguns? No propellant, no forging, just a projectile.

 

[Ries]

What if we deploy a few railguns? No propellant, no forging, just a projectile.

If only there was a working railgun... The Navy pulled the plug on their railgun development program 2 years ago, after 15 years and a half billion dollars of failed prototypes. But I am sure Dilbert Stark (you know, the guy whose real name is Elongated Muskrat) can pull one out of his hypertube...

 

[reggie_obe]

If only there was a working railgun... The Navy pulled the plug on their railgun development program 2 years ago, after 15 years and a half billion dollars of failed prototypes. But I am sure Dilbert Stark (you know, the guy whose real name is Elongated Muskrat) can pull one out of his hypertube...

Yes, they required more power than a ship could deliver. I thought they were still perusuing a land based towed version?

 

[Bill D]

When I read railgun I was thinking like the Paris Gun in ww1. In ww2 they were smaller for some reason. Still plenty big. I think you have to re-aim the railroad track to move the barrel side to side?
Bill D

Paris Gun - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bill D]

For some reason I am thinking some big artillery shells are just the iron warhead followed up with bags of powder to send it off. Like a battleship gun. They use different amounts of bags of powder depending on range needed. Less bags yields longer barrel life.
Bill D

 

[Milland]

When I read railgun I was thinking like the Paris Gun in ww1. In ww2 they were smaller for some reason. Still plenty big. I think you have to re-aim the railroad track to move the barrel side to side?
Bill D

Those rascally Germans set up circular tracks (or segments) so they could adjust gun azimuth.

 

[mhajicek]

What if we deploy a few railguns? No propellant, no forging, just a projectile.

The biggest problem with railguns are that the rails are a consumable; they only last a handful of shots.

Research progress on advanced rail materials for electromagnetic railgun technology

Electromagnetic railgun attracts more and more attention due to its advantage in speed, cost, and obscurity. It is found that the rail should withstan…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[Milland]

Another video on US 155mm artillery shell production, this time from The Telegraph (UK newspaper).

Similar footage to what we've seen before, but some new perspectives and ops shown. Also some errors - I'm pretty sure they don't heat the raw stock before cutting it to length...

 

[Trueturning]

Another video on US 155mm artillery shell production, this time from The Telegraph (UK newspaper).

Similar footage to what we've seen before, but some new perspectives and ops shown. Also some errors - I'm pretty sure they don't heat the raw stock before cutting it to length...

Do you believe that they saw the material to length “plus“ and then heat treat them? You are teasing again aren’t you?

 

[Milland]

Do you believe that they saw the material to length “plus“ and then heat treat them? You are teasing again aren’t you?

Watch the video - all will be revealed.

 

[dcsipo]

Another video on US 155mm artillery shell production, this time from The Telegraph (UK newspaper).

Similar footage to what we've seen before, but some new perspectives and ops shown. Also some errors - I'm pretty sure they don't heat the raw stock before cutting it to length...

They may heat the rod till it becomes plastic and then cut it with a guillotine kind of chopper thingie. Maybe faster than saw cutting it into chunks.

 

[Milland]

They may heat the rod till it becomes plastic and then cut it with a guillotine kind of chopper thingie. Maybe faster than saw cutting it into chunks.

That did cross my mind, but I still doubt it - I think you'd want a controlled length with square ends on the blank before putting it in the press, and a chopper isn't going to be as consistent as a saw IMO.

 

[Scottl]

Poland spending big bucks with South Korea on things that go boom.
China and South Korea do lots of business. China supports North Korea and seems to have friendly ties to Russia.
Rumor mill has it that Poland and Ukraine are working on some type of alliance joining portions of each others country creating an opportunity for Ukraine/NATO/EU support.
South Korea doing a balancing act with thier customer base.

Still waiting for a PM member to post pic of first example of 155mm projectile they have produced.

Sorry, no time for photos 'cause we're in a rush to ship them to Ukraine.

 

[john.k]

Ukraine is sitting on a fair chunk of Poland ,stolen by Stalin in 1939,and may well want it back .........old hatreds die hard in eastern Europe

 

[Milland]

Ukraine is sitting on a fair chunk of Poland ,stolen by Stalin in 1939,and may well want it back .........old hatreds die hard in eastern Europe

Oooh, this could be fun, seeing as Poland has part of Germany.

Let the Great Realignment commence! I want part of Sweden (whichever part hosts the bikini volleyball team).

 

[SeymourDumore]

Ukraine is sitting on a fair chunk of Poland ,stolen by Stalin in 1939,and may well want it back .........old hatreds die hard in eastern Europe

Does Hungary want theirs back?
Does Romania?

Yes, hatreds do die hard, except who do you hate more and why?

 

[dcsipo]

Does Hungary want theirs back?
Does Romania?

Yes, hatreds do die hard, except who do you hate more and why?

How does it go....kis Magyar orszag nem orszag...It did not end well, a lot of men died in Russia because Hitler promised.

 

[Milland]

How does it go....kis Magyar orszag nem orszag...It did not end well, a lot of men died in Russia because Hitler promised.

Promises and lies. It's amazing how many people die due to them...

 

[Freedommachine]

Yes, hatreds do die hard, except who do you hate more and why?

Lol, What a terrible way to make decisions.

 

[Rob F.]

I saw this posted elsewhere and it fits right in with this thread:
Most recent Western MSM reports on the supply of 155mm artillery shells by the ROK to the US fail to specify the name of the manufacturer as well as the unit cost. The following Reuters headline, dated 12 April 2023, is typical: "South Korea to Lend 500,000 Rounds of Artillery Shells to US." No manufacturer name is mentioned.

The article below, from 31 May 2022, suggests that the main supplier is Poongsan Corporation; a 13 April 2023 article in the Washington Post also references Poongsan near the end, though since the article is paywalled only dedicated followers of this topic will have access to the company name.

The Army Recognition article below reports that the Canadian government paid $77 million last year for 20,000 rounds of 155mm artillery shells; they were purchased from the US on behalf of Ukraine, and 100,000 additional units supplied by Poongsan were under consideration to replenish Canadian stocks.

Using the US-Canadian deal as a rough measure, $77 million for 20,000 shells works out to $3,850 per unit. According to reports, the US purchased 100,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition from the ROK last year, most likely from Poongsan. An additional 500,000 units "loaned" or "supplied" to the US this year would mean up to 600,000 units in sales for Poongsan. At roughly $3,850 per unit, that works out to $2,310,000,000.

Poongsan is a publicly traded company, and among its top shareholders are Vanguard and BlackRock, as well as Texas-based Dimensional Fund Advisors and San Francisco-based Charles Schwab Investment Management.

In other words, whether it is US, ROK or Canadian taxpayers footing the bill, US-based Big Capital profits. The incentives to continue the Ukraine War are only too obvious, given that it is such a profitable racket.

South Korea considers 155mm shell exports to replace Canadian rounds sent to Ukraine | Defense News May 2022 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2022 | Archive News year

www.armyrecognition.com