Deckel FP3 Accessories

[majohnson]

Just purchased a new to me FP3 from Peter in Holland, It is going to be a change from J head Bridgeport. Knowing that accessories are hard to find in the US, I am looking for suggestions on things I might want to consider getting before the mill ships.

 

[AlfaGTA]

Full set of collets. Might be difficult to get inch set from Europe.
Dividing head with chuck and draw bar if possible, tail stock+ table mounted tail stock..
Rotary table w/degree handwheel. Dividing plates w/ dividing crank and sector arms.
Slotter/slotting tools
"Wolly" UPA3 boring head with tooling extension bars and sleeves.
Outboard horizontal arbor support w/ bearing
Horizontal arbors (inch ?)
Drill chuck
Alignment test arbor
10mm Allen wrench w/handle
3 axis DRO
Factory work lite
Taster w/40 taper mount (20x2.0 thread)
Factory cover for "Y" when running horizontal. (plastic)

Cheers Ross

 

[lucky7]

In addition to Ross’s good advice, what table or tables will the machine come with? Would also include the fine boring head.

 

[thanvg]

Just purchased a new to me FP3 from Peter in Holland, It is going to be a change from J head Bridgeport. Knowing that accessories are hard to find in the US, I am looking for suggestions on things I might want to consider getting before the mill ships.

Hi there, well done on your purchase! Which one of Peter's machines did you get?

Well, you can't really have too many of those deckel tools but if I had to prioritize, then I'd add to Ross's list, provided that you're keeping the S20x2 drawbar:

- stuby arbors for shell mills and facemills
- 40 taper to MT adapters, use the all the time for drills and old fashioned MT endmills (other tooling as well, like dead centers)
- the 40 taper to MT4 adapter, can be useful if you have MT4 tools that you need to modify and put to use
- an ER collet chuck. It can complement the standard Deckel collets (40 taper and 355E ones) for odd sizes, odd sized drills (and parts in the indexing head)
- a spindle microscope. Can be pricey but can be really useful. In the indexer to align with the gear cutter, in the horizontal where usual edge finders don't work so nicely due to gravity, etc

Enjoy your new mill

BR,
Thanos

 

[Peter from Holland]

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Full set of collets. Might be difficult to get inch set from Europe.

Well I happen to have 2 sets of NT40 -S20x2 collets in Inch sizes 1/4 to 1" with 1/8 increments and also one 5/16
So these are available in Europe

Peter

 

[thanvg]

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Well I happen to have 2 sets of NT40 -S20x2 collets in Inch sizes 1/4 to 1" with 1/8 increments and also one 5/16
So these are available in Europe

Peter

I also have quite a few 40taper and 355E imperial collets, long live the UK
(my second FP2 came from the UK)

 

[Peter from Holland]

I also have quite a few 40taper and 355E imperial collets, long live the UK
(my second FP2 came from the UK)

Its time for a FP4M soon then
After that a FP4MK perhaps ???

 

[rimcanyon]

One thing is missing from Ross' list: a Deckel tool cabinet to hold all those accessories!

 

[thanvg]

Its time for a FP4M soon then
After that a FP4MK perhaps ???

I'll insist on the horizontal quill, at least for the time being Peter.
Yet, the future is unknown

 

[Peter from Holland]

One thing is missing from Ross' list: a Deckel tool cabinet to hold all those accessories!

Shipping one is gonna be expensive though

Peter

 

[Markusfu]

Just purchased a new to me FP3 from Peter in Holland, It is going to be a change from J head Bridgeport. Knowing that accessories are hard to find in the US, I am looking for suggestions on things I might want to consider getting before the mill ships.

I have extra set of imperial 40 taper deckel collets in great condition if you didn't get any

markusful at yahoo. dot com

 

[Markusfu]

I have extra set of imperial 40 taper deckel collets in great condition if you didn't get any

markusful at yahoo. dot com

I haven't posted for some time so I guess I didn't post reply correctly ?

 

[Erik]

If you're interested, I happen to have a like new tilting table for it.
But maybe that's already on the machine?
If, then I may be able to deliver it to Peter...
Cheers
Erik

 

[majohnson]

Thanks for the offers everyone. I was interested in recommendation on what you use. I should of done more research on all the accessories, Peter has gone out of his way too assist me with my purchase. At this time I will confine all my purchases to him. I did get one of his inch collets. And looking into some other things from him.

Thanks,
Mark

 

[joaquin suave]

I feel VERY SAD for you!!! Once you start enjoying the "high end" German crack... You NEVER want to go back!

 

[majohnson]

Its time for a FP4M soon then
After that a FP4MK perhaps ???

I was looking at the FP4M just before you posted this, it certainly is a nice mill. Never seen a Deckel until Stefen posted one on his YouTube channel. Reading about them, the more I read the better I like the design. I like the way they took the weight off the Y axis movement. Instead of double stacking X & Y on the same way. That why so many copies of the BP have a way that significantly wider ways so it can distribute the weight better. Do not get me wrong, I love my BP made and designed a lot of parts since 1989.

Really looking forward to a large crate from Holland. The list of optional accessories is staggering. Not to mention the tooling, wish my pockets were deeper there are several more things I would like to purchase. They will come in time as expansion is needed.

 

[AlfaGTA]

With lots of time on a BP, you will need to be patient.
Operating position is different and for those schooled in “conventional knee mill “ doing ” The Deckel” likely will take some seat time to gain comfort and confidence.
Good move and excellent choice in going with Peter and his FP3.
We will be watching for more from you and your graduation to a “real” tool room mill.

Cheers Ross

 

[majohnson]

Peter buys some nice machines, and they do a good job cleaning and detailing them. The one I am buying is a 1977, still with it original paint and in amazing shape. One thing I can not find much info on is using gage blocks to set the trips. Can anyone elaborate on the system or is that an accessory. It would be faster and much more accurate than just tapping them around.

My thoughts are I will still be using the BP after the Deckel arrives, then I can learn how to use it during off hours. What is surprising is the shipping cost, it much less expensive than shipping here in the US. And that included shipping from the port in Virginia to Denver which in itself is a long way.

 

[thanvg]

Peter buys some nice machines, and they do a good job cleaning and detailing them. The one I am buying is a 1977, still with it original paint and in amazing shape. One thing I can not find much info on is using gage blocks to set the trips. Can anyone elaborate on the system or is that an accessory. It would be faster and much more accurate than just tapping them around.

My thoughts are I will still be using the BP after the Deckel arrives, then I can learn how to use it during off hours. What is surprising is the shipping cost, it much less expensive than shipping here in the US. And that included shipping from the port in Virginia to Denver which in itself is a long way.

so you got the 5-slotter

 

[thanvg]

.... Can anyone elaborate on the system or is that an accessory. It would be faster and much more accurate than just tapping them around.

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Never done it, but I'd move the stop somewhere and have the machine trip on it. Then, use a gauge block stack to measure the distance between the stop and the trip dog. Keep the stack.
Move your axis where you actually want it to stop and move the stop as well so that the gauge block stack just fits.
I suppose you'd be ok

BR,
Thanos