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DMG DMP70/35 with 5 axis

crossthread82

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I'm surprised Cameraman hasn't chimed in. He seems to have something to say about anything and all things 5 axis. Anybody know if he's still around?
 

BROTHERFRANK

Stainless
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SoCal
I'm assuming at IMTS you mean the rumored brother 5th machine. If its anything like the m300x3 that's not going to work since its still a pretty small work envelope and you need 200mm tools to reach center at 90deg.

M300X3 requires a 170mm tool length to reach centerline, the M200X3 centerline can be reached with a 120mm long tool.
 

gkoenig

Titanium
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Mar 31, 2013
Location
Portland, OR
Can you buy it as a turn-key? With guaranteed performance metrics?

Honestly, it is a unique and really useful looking machine, but this is the only way I would buy a DMG Mori. Especially one that was new. Hand over some of your models and make the PO contingent on an accuracy, runtime, and reliability guarantee, as well as a runoff on your floor during instillation (demonstrating runtime and part accuracy). Mid to Big Ass companies do this for almost every piece of equipment they purchase, even something like a Speedio or Robodrill that is a 100% known quantity for a decade.

I'm assuming at IMTS you mean the rumored brother 5th machine. If its anything like the m300x3 that's not going to work since its still a pretty small work envelope and you need 200mm tools to reach center at 90deg.

I don't think it will be anything like the M200/M300. The whole Brother M series is really dedicated to automotive folks doing post-processing of round, cast components. Think alternator housings, diff covers, gearbox covers, hubs, EV motor caps, etc etc. The reach issues everyone complains about are a positive design feature for the folks who buy these - they want to swing a relatively large, lightweight part in as small a floor footprint as possible. Doesn't matter if you need to run long ass tools as the cuts being made are typically very very mild, and an M machine obliterates the process time because it eliminates a lot of handling.

I think the Brother 5 axis is going to be, like the DMP or an Okuma M460 5Ax, basically a 3 axis machine with the table replaced with a trunnion. Think: S500 castings/enclosure, with the new D-00 control, all the automation options carrying over, and who knows, perhaps Brother figured out a way to significantly increase the number of tools in the turret?
 

crossthread82

Plastic
Joined
Apr 1, 2022
Honestly, it is a unique and really useful looking machine, but this is the only way I would buy a DMG Mori. Especially one that was new. Hand over some of your models and make the PO contingent on an accuracy, runtime, and reliability guarantee, as well as a runoff on your floor during instillation (demonstrating runtime and part accuracy). Mid to Big Ass companies do this for almost every piece of equipment they purchase, even something like a Speedio or Robodrill that is a 100% known quantity for a decade.



I don't think it will be anything like the M200/M300. The whole Brother M series is really dedicated to automotive folks doing post-processing of round, cast components. Think alternator housings, diff covers, gearbox covers, hubs, EV motor caps, etc etc. The reach issues everyone complains about are a positive design feature for the folks who buy these - they want to swing a relatively large, lightweight part in as small a floor footprint as possible. Doesn't matter if you need to run long ass tools as the cuts being made are typically very very mild, and an M machine obliterates the process time because it eliminates a lot of handling.

I think the Brother 5 axis is going to be, like the DMP or an Okuma M460 5Ax, basically a 3 axis machine with the table replaced with a trunnion. Think: S500 castings/enclosure, with the new D-00 control, all the automation options carrying over, and who knows, perhaps Brother figured out a way to significantly increase the number of tools in the turret?

Unfortunately I have a ton of money to spend asap and can't wait until after IMTS. So I might end up being the guinea pig. Current plan is for two DMP70 w/ 5 axis and a DMU 65 monoblock. I'm also eyeballing two s500x2's as well just have to get the details ironed out at this point.
 








 
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