- Jun 18, 2016
Soon, and I am sure EVERYONE here can agree, you wont find the high end guys if all the shops are corporate monopolies that just want button pushers....and want to keep them that way.
I think the skill set just changes. Being a “high end machinist” will still require expertise in fixturing and perhaps add software skills to that list. In engineering we have amazing 3D modeling and drafting tools, and FRA (edit FEA) packages that exceed what a human can reasonably do without them. We still need a skilled person to run them well.They will all be working in repair shops. Very difficult to use a CNC for stuff like that still. And they will still be found in shops that do high level work and in places that take programming further than what the CAM spits out. But the more the CAM improves, the less places there will be for high wage machinists in CNC work.
I think the skill set just changes. Being a “high end machinist” will still require expertise in fixturing and perhaps add software skills to that list. In engineering we have amazing 3D modeling and drafting tools, and FRA packages that exceed what a human can reasonably do without them. We still need a skilled person to run them well.
For those who have been in machining gobs longer than I have. If you go back say 30 or 40 years to when things were a lot more manual, what % of the shop was "highly skilled" and what % was sweeping the floors, deburring, running the drill press but not going anywhere, etc.?Yes, that is true. But you only need one highly skilled person to make the setup and program. After that it can be run by a button pusher. Generally in a lot of CNC shops that is mostly what I have seen. A few guys who know their stuff doing that part of the work, then a large number of button pushers/part changers. The net effect is that the number of guys who really know what they're doing will probably go down.
Lets go with making carbide cutting tools.
Specials at one or two pieces need high skill to get it right and not scrap the often special blanks.
100-5000 with defined processing and routings and two gumbies will far out run the artist.
So where is the line?
For those who have been in machining gobs longer than I have. If you go back say 30 or 40 years to when things were a lot more manual, what % of the shop was "highly skilled" and what % was sweeping the floors, deburring, running the drill press but not going anywhere, etc.?
Whatever works for you. No two shops are the same. The complexity of the work dictates the pay scale. However, if productivity is an issue then, that can be addressed in other ways. Too many to mention here.Hi everyone,
I'm not a business owner but I work for a boss who seems to rather hire bums at $20 per hour than pay the wages for really good guys. We had one of our best employees get poached by another company because my boss didn't seem to appreciate him.
I notice that a small handful of guys basically are the rockstars of the company. They quietly put their heads down and just produce, a LOT. Maybe 25% of employees are like this. Then we have about 60% who just clock in and go through the motions. The bottom 15% of employees provide next to zero value to the company yet the boss seems to not mind
I'd like to branch off on my own in several years (I'm still young). When it comes time to start hiring, wouldn't I rather hire the best, even if I have to pay high wages?
My opinion is that one rockstar machinist at $40/hr provides more value and outproduces two bums that will work for $20/hr
Best thing that ever happened to you, although you may not have thought so at the time. You learned a lot about business and about how not to treat employees if you ever have any. You don't want to work for any body who puts an employee at risk. Time to move on and up.When I was 21 I worked at a roofing and siding company, but i ran the sheet metal shop. By 23, I also ran the warehouse, got my cdl to take deliveries, and even had my own code for the sales computer. Did everything except for the books. I was making $18/hrs, which I was fine with at the time because I wanted to learn the entire ropes of a business for the future. But I ended up getting fired because the hypochondriac main driver didn't show up again and the old truck was the only truck not loaded. In less then 3 minutes, the whole can filled with exhaust from a 6" diameter hole in the pipe under the cab. I got fired because I refused to take the delivery "In That Truck". So the main driver was making 1 dollar more per hour, and I got shit canned for doing everything.
So where did more money come into play at this time?