Ebay 10EE

[tektite]

Anyone see this one on ebay? MONARCH 10EE LATHE NO reserve | eBay
It's not too far for me, and I have an extra MG panel. Waddaya' think?

 

[Cal Haines]

It's the manufacturing model of the square-dial 10EE, which means that it doesn't have threading. The poor thing looks like it's had a rough life.

What do you plan to use it for?

Cal

 

[PaulM]

Manufacturing (second op?) lathe - no lead screw, I think also referred to as turn face bore. These do not seem to bring much when in good condition.

So it completely depends on what you need? If you have a use for it great, if you want to fix it up I'm not sure it would be worth it unless you already have some of the parts. As a donor parts machine it could be a good deal.

Paul

 

[tektite]

Yes, I noticed the threading lack. I have 2 1948 M-G EEs in the shop, one converted to a 10hp VFD. I have the parts left from the conversion. I also have a turret tailstock from another lathe that I would mount on the busted tailstock base. Then I'd have a nice, stable turret lathe to keep my CNC company. If he has the covers, it may be worth a look. Value opinions? Anyone know what these have sold for? I paid 500 & 2,000 for my other two.

 

[Cal Haines]

turret tailstock?

... I also have a turret tailstock from another lathe that I would mount on the busted tailstock base. ...

That's interesting. I've never seen one of those. I've seen turrets that replace the carriage.

Could you post some photos?

Cal

 

[WILLEO6709]

the 10ee factory turret tailstock varied greatly from any talstock base I have seen. I have a square dial manufacturing 10ee turret,,,, deadly accurate great turret stops, absolutely flawless wiad drive, but I don't know what you'd get trying to mate a non specific turret to a 10EE. for what tuirret lathes cost used seems you could find one you did not have to convert. biggest downfall of the 10ee as a second op machine is spindle hole size is small.

 

[hitandmiss]

Just to put a can't lose $ value here.
It should weigh 2500+ Lb. and that much scrap iron is worth? Maybe $500?

Bill

 

[tektite]

I'll try and post a pic. of the turret on Monday.

I was planning on this for one of the EEs I bought stripped for $100, but I ended up buying all the stripped off parts from the machine, except for the taper attachment. The taper att. was all the prev. buyer wanted, and he had no way to move the whole machine, so he just removed all the portable parts. I ended up with a very nice EE, so I didn't want to spoil the tailstock.

I figure I can maybe get some use of it this way, and keeping a source of spare parts handy.

 

[tektite]

Well, I didn't get it, was the second-highest bidder (Loser), But $280 wasn't bad. Good luck to the new owner. :P

Here is the turret I was talking about. Also, Can anyone identify the lathe? I'm stumped-no markings.
http://www.tek-tite.com/src/images/lathe2.jpg

 

[Cal Haines]

10EE turret tailstock

... the 10ee factory turret tailstock varied greatly from any talstock base I have seen. I have a square dial manufacturing 10ee turret ...

Willie,

(I missed this when you first posted it.) My machine has a standard carriage (unit assembly No. EE-8-1-1), but was shipped with an accessory listed as unit No. EE-8-1-9 "Turret Assembly". I don't think it's a tailstock accessory, since they all start with "EE-12-". I haven't been able to find any information on it.

What was the factory turret tailstock like? Do you know of any photos?

Thanks,

Cal

 

[rke[pler]

What was the factory turret tailstock like? Do you know of any photos?

If you're asking about the factory hand turret it looks like the one below:

The power turret was very different and it might not mount on a manual (ie not manufacturing) model lathe. I don't know of a Monarch made turret that would mount on a tailstock base, but that doesn't mean that one was not made.

 

[tektite]

You can see the similarities between the Monarch & Unknown turret. That's what I wanted to do. The center height on my turret needed to be raised, so I thought to use the bottom of a milled-down tailstock as a riser block/bed way adapter.

 

[Cal Haines]

Russ,

Thanks! That's probably what was shipped with my machine (in addition to a normal tailstock). It probably wound up in a scrap heap somewhere.

Has anyone ever used one?

Cal

 

[rke[pler]

Thanks! That's probably what was shipped with my machine (in addition to a normal tailstock). It probably wound up in a scrap heap somewhere.

Has anyone ever used one?

I hesitate to show this, but here it is:

I've mounted it but just to play with it. Unfortunately the work I got it for was needed just before got it home, so I made everything manually. I keep hoping to get some time to clean it up and check it out thoroughly, maybe get some new paint on it. Maybe by next summer...

 

[DaveE907]

Russ, your collection of 10EE tooling and bits is a continuing marvel to me.

thermite. they're not difficult to set up, just have to know what your doing. It's always an economic decision as to what machine is best for the job. Turret lathes had their days in the sun.

In process observance of the machining and checking of parts warned of problems. One operator per turret lathe with eyes wide open were a primary quality step in the process. Problems noted were dealt with immediately.

Industrial engineering was born to design and manage such systems, it's history worth learning.

 

[rke[pler]

Russ, your collection of 10EE tooling and bits is a continuing marvel to me.

I worry sometimes that there might be some bit somewhere that I haven't yet lusted after. Or bought.

thermite. they're not difficult to set up, just have to know what your doing. It's always an economic decision as to what machine is best for the job. Turret lathes had their days in the sun.

Turret lathes are still in fairly wide use, pretty much everywhere that the margin on production doesn't afford upgrading to CNC. Watching a big W&S lathe manhandle a forging into a finished piece is fun - amazing what 20HP and a rigid frame can do. But as they wear out and die they are being replaced by CNC lathes simply for the easier setup and tooling (sometimes live tooling to remove handling steps).

The parts run I had was a couple dozen each of some plumbing fittings to be turned from castings (they're really quite small as they are 1/8 scale fittings). By hand I had one part down to a little over a minute, on the turret it would have been maybe 15 seconds. As it was it was a couple of days work for all of them instead of half a day. The only thing to be changed between sizes were the drill & tap, the fixture and the depth - centers and tool positions would have been the same. Maybe next time.

 

[Cal Haines]

I hesitate to show this, but here it is:

...

Thanks Russ!

Out of curiosity, does it have serial number on it?

Where do you get all this cool stuff? Sandia? Or do you spend a big chunk of each day scouring the globe?

Cal

 

[rke[pler]

Out of curiosity, does it have serial number on it?

41354 - so 101 after my 10EE. They might have been littermates.

[/quote]Where do you get all this cool stuff? Sandia? Or do you spend a big chunk of each day scouring the globe?[/QUOTE]

Some has come from the Sandia and LANL auctions, but the auctioneer likes to accumulate things until it attracts a large number of bidders and then the price becomes less reasonable. Much I've picked up from eBay, usually from poorly described auctions - but pickings there have been pretty slim lately. Only occasionally have I had to engage in a bidding war with Daryl.

But the turret (and a bunch of tool holders) came from the Bay Area, sold by someone who posts here occasionally.

But my lathe came very well tooled in the first place (bought it figuring that I could make the cost and shipping back on eBay from the tooling), and I used to travel enough that I'd hit 3-4 used machinery places a month and snag the occasional piece of tooling. I haven't been travelling (much) for the past 5 years and so my rate of accumulation has slowed.

Anymore I just sit on the floor fondling cast iron and mumbling "my preciousss..."

(Actually, I've about finished the Shay:

The grey bar under the front truck is a 12" rule. All the turned parts were done on the 10ee.)

 

[Cal Haines]

Nice Job!

...Actually, I've about finished the Shay ...

Russ,

She looks amazing! You've made really good progress! The last thing I saw you just had the boiler and some of the undercarriage done.

Cal

 

[rke[pler]

Thanks for the kind words. I've had her out for about 20 miles and everything's holding up pretty well, no major problems. I've moved a few things as a result of experience and messed a few things up, but if you make something once it's just easier the second time. I'm still learning a lot about running a steam loco but it's all fun.

As for finishing - there are some details like plumbing in the whistle (disguised as an air tank), finishing the headlamp and setting up the power for it, some more work in the propane valve area (a pilot operated safety valve and gauging for tank and burner pressure). I've been fighting with the valve for the steam operated brakes, likely make a new one this winter and relocate it when I'm doing the whistle plumbing.

The "final" project will be a steam operated air or water pump - I'm leaning towards air since I have 3 ways of getting water into the boiler right now (tender hand pump, axle pump and an injector) plus it might be interesting to setup some air brakes on cars I'll be building when I have a way to tote them to a track.

Still need a name - anyone got something Monarch related to suggest? Shays were mostly used in mining or lumber operations so it's a stretch but... Maybe get this thread back to Monarch that way.