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Ev batteries and lithium supply

Conrad Hoffman

Titanium
Joined
May 10, 2009
Location
Canandaigua, NY, USA
Everything is a problem in the long run. Hydrogen is filthy unless you have near-to-free electricity. I just saw something about burying copper coils in the road so you could charge your batteries as you drive. They have no clue.
 

DDoug

Diamond
Joined
Oct 18, 2005
Location
NW Pa
Everything is a problem in the long run. Hydrogen is filthy unless you have near-to-free electricity. I just saw something about burying copper coils in the road so you could charge your batteries as you drive. They have no clue.

MethHeads will be ripping them up the night after they get installed.....:D
 

DDoug

Diamond
Joined
Oct 18, 2005
Location
NW Pa
Looks like they need to work on the charging cables:

38 out of 40 cables stolen from charging stations......

Thieves Steal Copper From Electric Charger Stations – NBC Los Angeles

Need to re-write a few line of code.
1. Cables are energized at all times when unplugged, and plug is parked in chargers socket.
2. When customer swiped credit card to start a charge, cables are de-energized to allow
plugging in, then charging begins, when plug is in.
3. after charging, cables de-energize for removal, customer hangs plug back up to charger.
4. Cables are energized again with plug plugged into storage socket.
 

IninefingersI

Aluminum
Joined
Mar 9, 2022
Location
Doo Dah, Kansas
energizing the lines doesn't seem to be much of a deterent.

Never underestimate the persistence of a tweaker. I had a guy show up here, shaking like a puppy shitting a peach pit, wanting me to donate my carbide to his Native American troubled boys home because they smelt it into belt buckles for arts and crafts. I ran him off. Showed up again a week later because he forgot where all he tried to hit.
 

adammil1

Titanium
Joined
Mar 12, 2001
Location
New Haven, CT
It's not just lithium but those batteries need tons of nickel. I think that Russia is the #3 supplier of that material too which makes building more electric cars to reduce dependence on Putin for energy kind of counterproductive.

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john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
We got plenty of lithium ,plenty of nickle......but for all the crazy environmental rules ,none of it can be processed here into usable product............worst part is there is now more millenials and Zs than sane people,so this green garbage is going to be accelerated as these morons take over .
 

standardparts

Diamond
Joined
Mar 26, 2019
We got plenty of lithium ,plenty of nickle......but for all the crazy environmental rules ,none of it can be processed here into usable product............worst part is there is now more millenials and Zs than sane people,so this green garbage is going to be accelerated as these morons take over .

The U.S. is pretty much the same. Want fast changeover to EVs with NIMBY attitude in regards to acquiring and processing materials required for production. China will be more than happy to supply product.
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
Also got worlds largest deposit of titanium just 40 miles from here,mined since the 1940s ......the abos have closed it down ,with continued political chicanery from the greens......by the way,you cant call them abos any more,they got some fantasy title bestowed by millenials.
 

Scottl

Diamond
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Location
Eastern Massachusetts, USA
I'm actually interested in wtf we are gonna do with all these batteries when they are spent. Thats a lot of hazardous waste, unless someone comes up with a regen system.

Especially given the scarcity of new Lithium I expect recycling of batteries to recover it will be a major factor.

Right now our local recycling center has a bin for Lithium batteries and devices containing them.
 

Scottl

Diamond
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Location
Eastern Massachusetts, USA
Everything is a problem in the long run. Hydrogen is filthy unless you have near-to-free electricity. I just saw something about burying copper coils in the road so you could charge your batteries as you drive. They have no clue.

And that is part of the problem. In this religious-like fervor to rush to "zero carbon" some are proposing massively expensive and impractical schemes to turn everyone into EV drivers. At the current state of the art an EV works fine as a commuter vehicle for someone who owns their own home and can install a charger there. For an apartment dweller who has to park in a lot behind their building charging can be a time consuming PITA.
 

standardparts

Diamond
Joined
Mar 26, 2019
More and more automakers getting into the EV market.
Orders and demand surpasses production capacity by far.
The limit is not factory capacity or chip shortages. It is batteries.
Bob

Well the Gov't has been pushing the EV thing since right after the auto industry bankruptcies 10 years ago. If the manufacturers and the gov't expect to see EVs coming off the assembly lines by the millions then hopefully they have a plan for components.

Maybe check with China--by all accounts they have it covered.

The pic shows Biden in his prime 10 years ago.....

Obama-backed electric car battery company files for bankruptcy protection

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...y-protection/2012/01/26/gIQAA5T3TQ_story.html
 

Big B

Diamond
Joined
Jun 26, 2009
Location
Michigan, USA
Well the Gov't has been pushing the EV thing since right after the auto industry bankruptcies 10 years ago. If the manufacturers and the gov't expect to see EVs coming off the assembly lines by the millions then hopefully they have a plan for components.

Maybe check with China--by all accounts they have it covered.

The pic shows Biden in his prime 10 years ago.....

Obama-backed electric car battery company files for bankruptcy protection

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...y-protection/2012/01/26/gIQAA5T3TQ_story.html

It's looking more and more like you have a bad case of BDS. I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV but it's getting pretty clear.
 

standardparts

Diamond
Joined
Mar 26, 2019
It's looking more and more like you have a bad case of BDS. I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV but it's getting pretty clear.

Of course your not a doctor as well as not being a machinist, but you do attempt to play one on Practical Machinist.
 








 
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