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3t3d

Diamond
Joined
Nov 1, 2004
Location
WI
We are a small shop, and we have large production runs that run us up to 400% capacity, then ............. quiet before the next storm.
Finding someone who is willing to run flat out in full production, then transition to picking up the job shop work in between has been a serious puzzle.

Someone able to build some production tooling, and other small miscellaneous jobs, might cringe at the thought of that big production run coming up next.
Conversations with other people leads me to believe that this is a difficult/diverse spot to fill.

This the body of a Craigslist ad I just posted..
Any suggestions?

[h=2]CNC Machinist [/h] compensation: dependant of experience, and abilty.


We are looking for a machinist, that is flexible, and willing to learn.
Some larger shops have separate Setup, Operators, and Programmers. You are not allowed to do any job not in your description.
Not here. Being smaller, you have the chance, and the responsibility to learn all the facets of the job.

We have mostly machining centers, and a couple turning centers.
There are jobs from many types of materials.

We run larger production orders, and also smaller jobs, requiring more experience.
Getting the large production orders running smoothly requires creativity, and attention to detail.
With the right attitude these production jobs can be rewarding.

We repair our own machinery, and we build some machinery.
There is Always something interesting to do, and new things to learn.

How many ways do you fit into this shop? What do you want to learn?

We will consider any level of experience, more experience preferred.
Ideally, you want to expand your capabilities, more than you could in large organizations.
 

m98custom1212

Stainless
Joined
Aug 1, 2011
Location
Toledo, Ohio
1. Are you willing to take a newbie?
2. You say experience is peferred but dont say how much or what kind (cad,cam, deburring, measuring, lathe, mill, both etc
3. No mention of pay. Big negative!
4. Really should mention direct hire or recruiter blah blah
5. Hours you typically work/ shift mention
 

Sean S

Titanium
Joined
Dec 20, 2000
Location
Coos Bay, OR
I think it's odd that you are stating you prefer experience, then offer gaining experience as a perk.

That could be confusing.
 

TeachMePlease

Diamond
Joined
Feb 11, 2014
Location
FL
CNC Machinist

Compensation: Negotiable, based on experience and competence.


We are looking for a machinist who is flexible, and looking to continuously expand their knowledge.
Unlike some larger shops which have separate Setup, Operator, and Programmer positions, here you have the opportunity, even the responsibility to learn all facets of the job.
Machinery includes but is not limited to VMCs and Turning Centers.
Material varies with the job.

We run everything from larger production orders to small, even one-off jobs which require more experience.
Getting the large production orders running smoothly requires creativity, resourcefulness, and attention to detail.
With perseverance and a good attitude these production jobs can be rewarding.

In addition to production and job shop work, we repair, and even build some machinery.
There are always interesting projects to be had, and constant opportunites to learn.

How many ways do you fit into this shop? What do you want to learn?

We will consider any level of experience; Initiative and willingness to learn are also factors.
Ideally, you want to expand your capabilities while helping us grow our business.




Edited for punch, grammar, and clarity.

Honestly, it's not the most professional writing I've seen, I kind of wanted to start from scratch, but I used what you gave us.

That said, there's nothing wrong with the way it's written, it's just more colloquial sounding than the ads that most big businesses would publish. Given our profession, and how many of the best muh-cheen-ists I know can barely read or write (it seems), that might not be a bad thing.

You might want to at least make mention of possible benefits, just a teaser, even.
 

SigurdACVW

Aluminum
Joined
Aug 16, 2013
Location
IL
No mention of pay. There needs to be a hard number, or a range at the least. I've learned my lesson and wasted time with vague CL postings that try to get me in the door and then offer $10/hour. Post the top rate for the top guy.
 

Mike1974

Diamond
Joined
Nov 5, 2014
Location
Tampa area
I think you are going to have a hard time with filling that. Two thoughts here, you need to pay a relatively high wage to get the experienced guy to do 'toolmaking' or 'engineering' between the high volume production. Second thought, how are you really going to feel about that high paid guy standing there loading a machine?? I've been in (I think) a similar situation and when the easy production jobs came along the boss just plain didn't like it. He hated the fact he was paying me $20/hr to do an operator level $9/hr (just a tad over minimum wage at the time and place) job. Guess who paid for that.. I did! I always had to not only run the easy peasy production but then it was like I had to somehow overcompensate and do an even harder/faster job (machine) at the same time. Don't get me wrong, I am fine with multitasking, but you can only do so many things at once before you start to slip at one of them. That boss always pushed us (it was like that for a few people there) just past where we would make a screw up, no matter how slight, and then be pissed at us... :rolleyes5:
 

DMF_TomB

Diamond
Joined
Dec 13, 2008
Location
Rochester, NY, USA
We are a small shop, and we have large production runs that run us up to 400% capacity, then ............. quiet before the next storm.
Finding someone who is willing to run flat out in full production, then transition to picking up the job shop work in between has been a serious puzzle.

Someone able to build some production tooling, and other small miscellaneous jobs, might cringe at the thought of that big production run coming up next.
Conversations with other people leads me to believe that this is a difficult/diverse spot to fill.

This the body of a Craigslist ad I just posted..
Any suggestions?

[h=2]CNC Machinist [/h] compensation: dependant of experience, and abilty.


We are looking for a machinist, that is flexible, and willing to learn.
Some larger shops have separate Setup, Operators, and Programmers. You are not allowed to do any job not in your description.
Not here. Being smaller, you have the chance, and the responsibility to learn all the facets of the job.

We have mostly machining centers, and a couple turning centers.
There are jobs from many types of materials.

We run larger production orders, and also smaller jobs, requiring more experience.
Getting the large production orders running smoothly requires creativity, and attention to detail.
With the right attitude these production jobs can be rewarding.

We repair our own machinery, and we build some machinery.
There is Always something interesting to do, and new things to learn.

How many ways do you fit into this shop? What do you want to learn?

We will consider any level of experience, more experience preferred.
Ideally, you want to expand your capabilities, more than you could in large organizations.
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sorry but when i do not see a pay range like $20-30/hr i look no further
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too many places think they can hire good people at $10-15/hr. it just pisses me off when i see no pay rate listed
 

3t3d

Diamond
Joined
Nov 1, 2004
Location
WI
How is it possible to list a solid pay range ig I don't know who is going to apply?

If someone walks in from a Burger King, I can put them to work. BTDT.
They would be that operator we need. The pay range is going to be lower, because they do not have the experience.

If someone more qualified shows up, they can help build that jig for the customer, and the they care enough to come up with some ideas to improve the production jobs, then they will have to be paid more.

I don't know HOW to advertise for a very flexible position.

We could use someone, with whatever level they show up with.
How far they go is up to them.

What is the appropriate pay range for all points on the spectrum?

If we were a bigger shop, we could have a VERY specific requirement, that fits into a very specific job description.....

Might be that being a shop owner is outside my pay range. Help.
 

DMF_TomB

Diamond
Joined
Dec 13, 2008
Location
Rochester, NY, USA
How is it possible to list a solid pay range ig I don't know who is going to apply?

If someone walks in from a Burger King, I can put them to work. BTDT.
They would be that operator we need. The pay range is going to be lower, because they do not have the experience.

If someone more qualified shows up, they can help build that jig for the customer, and the they care enough to come up with some ideas to improve the production jobs, then they will have to be paid more.

I don't know HOW to advertise for a very flexible position.

We could use someone, with whatever level they show up with.
How far they go is up to them.

What is the appropriate pay range for all points on the spectrum?

If we were a bigger shop, we could have a VERY specific requirement, that fits into a very specific job description.....

Might be that being a shop owner is outside my pay range. Help.
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the job is CNC machinist that alone determines pay range. if you want a shop helper then create a different job posting with the different pay range.
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basically excuses i do not care about. no pay range listed i read job posting no further.
 

SDConcepts

Stainless
Joined
Mar 1, 2007
Location
warren, mi
its simple. you don't have one position but actually 2. hire the burger king guy with one ad but make sure to state pay somewhere between 9-13/hr plus training etc. then look for a part time tool maker, engineer, whatever to fill the busy times in your schedule. should be plenty of retired guys out there but you have to pay them and advertise that between 20-30/hr and you wont' have to give them any benefits. don't like their work the first time, don't call them back. really like them give them a bonus.
 

Mike1974

Diamond
Joined
Nov 5, 2014
Location
Tampa area
How is it possible to list a solid pay range ig I don't know who is going to apply?

If someone walks in from a Burger King, I can put them to work. BTDT.
They would be that operator we need. The pay range is going to be lower, because they do not have the experience.

If someone more qualified shows up, they can help build that jig for the customer, and the they care enough to come up with some ideas to improve the production jobs, then they will have to be paid more.

I don't know HOW to advertise for a very flexible position.

We could use someone, with whatever level they show up with.
How far they go is up to them.

What is the appropriate pay range for all points on the spectrum?

If we were a bigger shop, we could have a VERY specific requirement, that fits into a very specific job description.....

Might be that being a shop owner is outside my pay range. Help.

Why not just say what you said here.

Machine operator, no experience required $9.00/hr start

Machine setup, requires 2 years minimum $14.00/hr and up depending on exp

Tool & Die maker, 10 years min, degrees and certifications preferred $24/hr and up depending on exp

etc.. etc.. There is no rule saying if someone applies for the setup and has 10 years exp with lathes and mills you can't offer more to get him/her.

p.s. I have no idea if these numbers are realistic, just a WAG.
 

gbent

Diamond
Joined
Mar 14, 2005
Location
Kansas
I'm sorry, but you are looking for two entirely different people. Either you want a machinist, or you want an operator. You maybe able to use a machinist as an operator for a short time, but he will be looking for a better job by week two. A machinist is someone who had the drive and intelligence to improve their self beyond the operator position, and you want to bust them back to operator? Even if they do stand for it, they most likely will become a poorer machinist because of it. The intelligent mind is always thinking, and there will be a moment when the mind is thinking when it should be rotating the part before tightening the clamp.

Use your machinists to set up your production, but start bringing in temps or agency personnel on day 1 as operators. That way the machinists know you are trying to get them some relief. Figure out what the local rate is for machine operators, match it, and then offer a $2.00 (or better)/hr bonus for attendance, figured on a previous scheduled day's attendance. (or similar short term carrot, long term won't work 'cause if they could think long term they wouldn't be an operator)
 

DMF_TomB

Diamond
Joined
Dec 13, 2008
Location
Rochester, NY, USA
i remember a job posting for semi skilled cnc machinist then it goes to list job requirements any fully skilled cnc machinist would have trouble filling the job.
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basically seeing the semi skilled thing was a big turnoff for the vast majority of people. better to put looking for entry level cnc machinist,
 

Onepass

Hot Rolled
Joined
Jun 2, 2014
Location
Kansas City
Sounds like you need two people: a toolmaker ( grumpy old fart) and a see and see guy. Maybe you could advertise for an experienced manual machinist/ toolmaker and find one that wouldn't mind learning CNC. Or maybe find a little more work that would justify hiring two guys?
 

3t3d

Diamond
Joined
Nov 1, 2004
Location
WI
The problem is during the big RUSH!!!!! as in right now, today, the operator might be helpful, until I have so many things happening to me that I can't get that machine set up for them....
There is tooling and materials to order, certifications to track, quotes required, and orders to track and expedite. Laborers to qualify and hire and supervise for the packaging/handling.
Shipments to schedule, and engineers to talk to. Along with a trickle of other jobs showing up this week....
Emergency jobs/repairs for other customers this week, and repeat jobs showing up.
In the middle of that, a grumpy operator wanting to know why I brought them in, and do not set up a machine for them NOW.
Anybody that shows up and can help with any of that is a potential benefit.

And then the big shipment..... and then what do we do? Don't need too many people then.

Teachme..... Thanks for the edits. Copied and pasted.

Tom, sorry I don't have a very specific job that can only be filled by specifically qualified person, so I can list the exact wages.
 

toolsteel

Titanium
Joined
Nov 9, 2012
Location
NW Wisconsin (BFE)
One thing that could entice some people.......during the big production.....are you willing to pay some sort of "extra"? I dont mean break the bank......obviously production is part of the gig......but one thing that i enjoy about my job is fine tuning the production runs so that we get the quickest, best, easiest run possible. Maybe in your environment a little "taste" of the $ made from improvements etc would help?????? just a thought
 

DMF_TomB

Diamond
Joined
Dec 13, 2008
Location
Rochester, NY, USA
The problem is during the big RUSH!!!!! as in right now, today, the operator might be helpful, until I have so many things happening to me that I can't get that machine set up for them....
There is tooling and materials to order, certifications to track, quotes required, and orders to track and expedite. Laborers to qualify and hire and supervise for the packaging/handling.
Shipments to schedule, and engineers to talk to. Along with a trickle of other jobs showing up this week....
Emergency jobs/repairs for other customers this week, and repeat jobs showing up.
In the middle of that, a grumpy operator wanting to know why I brought them in, and do not set up a machine for them NOW.
Anybody that shows up and can help with any of that is a potential benefit.

And then the big shipment..... and then what do we do? Don't need too many people then.

Teachme..... Thanks for the edits. Copied and pasted.

Tom, sorry I don't have a very specific job that can only be filled by specifically qualified person, so I can list the exact wages.
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that why i do not apply for jobs at small places. often the boss does not really have any steady consistent job. i once saw a job they wanted a machinist, engineer, electrician, plumber, plc controls, etc and willing to pay $28/hr.......... i go by the shop every day and see 3 cars in back and 2 in front. maybe 5 employees?
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i work now at a company of 700 people. sorry but for many people you would have to pay a lot more to get people to work at a small place. either that or see if the wife or a brother, cousin, son, etc willing to work for you.
 

imneo88

Plastic
Joined
Mar 24, 2015
I agree with the moral majority here that there are two seperate jobs here and the lack of a base on salary is a huge turn off. My questions are: Do you already have a "lead machinist," someone that can setup, and operate every machine you use? If not, this may be the position you're looking for.. with, likely an expected salary of $20 to $25 an hour.

Lead Machinist Wanted

Requirements:

The lead machinist will have to have a minimum of 7 years on the job experience with previous lead experience, or management experience or have 10 years experience minimum setting up, program editing, and operating Fanuc Control CNC lathes, Mill/Turn, CNC Mills, or Universal Machining Centers.

Job responsibilities:

Working in a flexible production to job shop environment, the lead machinist would be responsible for building tooling, setting/touching off tools, setting up fixturing, jaws, and workpiece clamps, CNC program editing; possibly even creation on a (FANUC or Mazatrol) interface, or mix of machine interfaces. He/She would also be responsible for quality control at the machine and following current I.S.O. (9000, or 9001) procedures. Proficient use of calipers, micrometers, profilometers, dial bore gauges, and O.D. snap gauges is required. The lead machinist will also be responsible for training new contract, temporary, or new direct hire employees, regularly auditing these operators for quality, and proficiency at their job and reporting this to management.

Benefits Include: A shift differential of $x.xx for 2nd shift and $x.xx for 3rd, or take advantage of a R.O.W.E. (Results ONLY Work Evironment) and work on your own schedule, working the minimum required hours per week; IE: a 40, 44, or 50 hour per week obligation. ** the tradeoff for ROWE is that they get a completely flexible schedule that works for them, and you pay ONLY base pay, and still get your work completed. :) **

After 90 days dental and medical insurance is provided with 80% of the premiums paid by us, the employer for any employee working more then 32 hours per week.

In my opinion THIS is what a machinist AD should look like!! And if you're a small shop, you need at least 1 lead machinist.. and fill the rest with $12.00 an hour button pushers... all audited by the lead. Hope this helped?
 

ironman187

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 13, 2010
Location
MN, USA
its simple. you don't have one position but actually 2. hire the burger king guy with one ad but make sure to state pay somewhere between 9-13/hr plus training etc. then look for a part time tool maker, engineer, whatever to fill the busy times in your schedule. should be plenty of retired guys out there but you have to pay them and advertise that between 20-30/hr and you wont' have to give them any benefits. don't like their work the first time, don't call them back. really like them give them a bonus.

You won't get a decent retired guy without paying for his health insurance ;). As others have said, use a temp agency for the time you need the operator, and keep the machinist on full time, or part time if you can find one willing to work part time.
 

m98custom1212

Stainless
Joined
Aug 1, 2011
Location
Toledo, Ohio
How is it possible to list a solid pay range ig I don't know who is going to apply?

If someone walks in from a Burger King, I can put them to work. BTDT.
They would be that operator we need. The pay range is going to be lower, because they do not have the experience.

If someone more qualified shows up, they can help build that jig for the customer, and the they care enough to come up with some ideas to improve the production jobs, then they will have to be paid more.

I don't know HOW to advertise for a very flexible position.

We could use someone, with whatever level they show up with.
How far they go is up to them.

What is the appropriate pay range for all points on the spectrum?

If we were a bigger shop, we could have a VERY specific requirement, that fits into a very specific job description.....

Might be that being a shop owner is outside my pay range. Help.

As DMF Tom said

You said CNC Machinist that's hourly range usually if you want shop help/machine baby sitter/ shop newbie then create a post for that.

If you're looking for all in one person setup inspecting, programming blah blah then the pay should reflect that or at least say very competitive.
 








 
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