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- Joined
- May 26, 2004
- Location
- Paradise, Ca
Turn-Key 2007 Haas VF-2ss, SN1056980
$42,000, YOU LOAD, YOU TRANSPORT, I can recommend a good rigger on my end.
Located in Paradise, Ca 95969
matt (at) rfrcustomfab (dot) com
Picture gallery located here: Gallery | RFR Custom Fab
Machine is in excellent shape. I'm only selling it because we are adding another Brother pallet changer (faster, more accurate) and I don't have enough electrical power to keep the Haas. Otherwise I would absolutely keep the machine. It's the machine I started my business with and I hate to see it go. It's running jobs still and will be unhooked from power once the new Brother shows up, then it will stay dark until you power it up at your place.
I am the original owner of this machine. It has lived a good life with perfectly dry air, coolant maintained every single morning, regular baths, good way lube and a climate controlled shop at 68º year round. That said, I run it hard when called for. It's spent its life at max RPM and high feedrates, but still produces good parts with tight tolerances. If I haven't broken it yet, you won't break it. Here's a video of it running whatever job we were running at the time: https://youtu.be/i-lsDK_miGg And here's a video of it at 100% rapid, plus spindle up and down: https://youtu.be/UWCRJGYll50 Here's a video of a nice fit done on this machine, 1/2” dowel pin bore interpolated with a 1/4” endmill, both sides cleaned with alcohol before assembly: https://youtu.be/kjNjjMTyEVQ
The good:
Has the Coldfire II processor, which is still supported for repair according to Selway.
Backlash seems pretty good to me:
X: Picture 40X (updated after thrust bearing) Video: https://youtu.be/7ILZewdsHY4
Y: Picture 41Y (factory backlash setting) Video: https://youtu.be/X1Z1q520g5Y
Z: Picture 42Z (factory backlash setting) Video: https://youtu.be/e0F2dbYSCRY
The 4[SUP]th[/SUP] is basically new. It gets used maybe 2-4 times per year. Here's an older video of it running, plus showing broken tool detection: https://youtu.be/eiJ5RN3SYiQ It hangs on a boat trailer winch for storage so you don't have to ever lift it in/out, and is on a subplate that registers and bolts to the machine table. This setup gets the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] within .001” parallel to Y and Z.
Comes with both double vises and the subplate. Vises are mounted via Orange ball locks, and there are 5 positions they can be mounted in. The subplate also has a grid of 1/2”-13 holes. As setup, these vises WILL HIT the back wall of the machine!!!
Comes with Renishaw tool setter, Renishaw spindle probe, MariTool 3” calibration tool, Dorian tool tightening fixture and 90 (Ninety!) assorted toolholders. Techniks, MariTool, etc. You get a 2” and a 2.5” Korloy facemill for aluminum, a 3” 45º Mitsubishi ASX facemill, a 3/4” APKT endmill, a 1.25” Mitsubishi AJX feedmill, a Criterion 3” boring head, the Lang chip fan, basically everything in the pictures except for the smaller mounted tools (endmills, etc). Pictures 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 and 38.
Upgraded LED cabinet lights, super awesome professional mounted.
Bunch-o-Spares, see picture 37.
Add-On coolant filtration: I'm so glad I did this. Coolant is filtered to 10 micron BEFORE it goes to the sump. The sump never has to be cleaned. See video (and read video description for more details) https://youtu.be/oWJDR9gPbNw Also picture 3 shows the gauges associated with this system. PF1 is for the 25 micron filter, PF2 is for the 10 micron filter, the last one is flood coolant pressure (5 micron filter) All spare filters are included.
Dual backup batteries have been added, and an up-to-date backup will be sent with the machine on a thumb drive.
Add-On air blast. Picture 3 (the lower gauge / regulator and manual activation button), picture 19 (solenoid / valve setup). It's plumbed to a length of locline near the spindle. It's turned on with M51 and turned off with M61.
Add-On mist collector. Picture 3 (contactor below gauge panel), picture 10, pictures 26, 27, 28 (super awesome gap fillers). The mist collector needs a dedicated 20A 208/220 3PH feed. Video of coolant returning to machine from mist collector: https://youtu.be/HukoZazKlAo
The Bad:
Spindle was reground in 2021 and the grinder fixturing came loose during grinding. It gouged the spindle, but once grinding was finished, runout is pretty good (.0002” @ 3”) and there's still tons of contact area. No change in how the machine runs, it's really just cosmetic. https://youtu.be/FtioTD1Aem8 Picture 39.
The machine alarms with 648 (DC bus shorted) and 649 (DC bus undervoltage) alarms (see picture 35) every morning, but it's because we are running so close to the incoming tap lower limit (see picture 36). Haas (Selway) master tech said this is not an issue, and the alarms clear after a couple minutes of the machine being powered on. This probably won't happen to you, depending on your incoming power.
The flood coolant pump breaker trips randomly. Sometimes twice in one week. Sometimes it will go 6 months without tripping. The breaker, motor start and run capacitors have been replaced with no change, the motor and pump spin freely by hand, and Haas can't explain it.
The 4[SUP]th[/SUP] will sometimes alarm out during homing on startup. All you have to do is jog the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] a few degrees and re-home and it will be fine. This doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.
The control will sometimes misfire during startup, showing a jumble of pixels on the screen. Just restart and it will be fine. It's done this since it was new. Maybe happens once every few months.
The manual is missing. An ex employee stole it. Can you believe that?
Specs:
X Axis Travel: 30"
Y Axis Travel: 16"
Z Axis Travel: 20"
Rapid Rate X Axis: 1,400 IPM
Rapid Rate Y Axis: 1,400 IPM
Rapid Rate Z Axis: 1,400 IPM
Table Size: 36" x 18"
Max Table Load: 1,500 LBS
Spindle Motor: 30 HP
Spindle Speed: 12,000 RPM
Spindle Taper: CAT40
Tool Changer: 24 Side mount ATC
Max Cutting 833 ipm
Max Weight 1500 lb
Max Thrust X 1995 lbf
Max Thrust Y 1995 lbf
Max Thrust Z 3085 lbf
Chip-to-Chip 3.6 s
Coolant Cap 55 gal
Weight: 7,800 LBS
Options:
Renishaw spindle probe & tool setter
Coolant Thru Spindle, 300psi
Programmable Coolant
4th Axis
Chip Auger
Coordinate Rotation & Scaling
High Speed Machining
IPS
User Definable Macros
Remote Jog Handle
History:
2013 the spindle motor went south
2014 the TSC rotary coupler failed, bent at max RPM and took out another spindle motor
2015 replaced tool changer arm seal
2016 replaced drawbar
2017 spindle regrind, no crash just worn
2019 replaced X axis thrust bearing, ball bar to tune
2021 replaced all way lube restrictors, cleaned way lube system completely, new windows, new way cover wipers
2021 replaced TRP solenoid manifold complete
2021 spindle regrind, no crash just worn
$42,000, YOU LOAD, YOU TRANSPORT, I can recommend a good rigger on my end.
Located in Paradise, Ca 95969
matt (at) rfrcustomfab (dot) com
Picture gallery located here: Gallery | RFR Custom Fab
Machine is in excellent shape. I'm only selling it because we are adding another Brother pallet changer (faster, more accurate) and I don't have enough electrical power to keep the Haas. Otherwise I would absolutely keep the machine. It's the machine I started my business with and I hate to see it go. It's running jobs still and will be unhooked from power once the new Brother shows up, then it will stay dark until you power it up at your place.
I am the original owner of this machine. It has lived a good life with perfectly dry air, coolant maintained every single morning, regular baths, good way lube and a climate controlled shop at 68º year round. That said, I run it hard when called for. It's spent its life at max RPM and high feedrates, but still produces good parts with tight tolerances. If I haven't broken it yet, you won't break it. Here's a video of it running whatever job we were running at the time: https://youtu.be/i-lsDK_miGg And here's a video of it at 100% rapid, plus spindle up and down: https://youtu.be/UWCRJGYll50 Here's a video of a nice fit done on this machine, 1/2” dowel pin bore interpolated with a 1/4” endmill, both sides cleaned with alcohol before assembly: https://youtu.be/kjNjjMTyEVQ
The good:
Has the Coldfire II processor, which is still supported for repair according to Selway.
Backlash seems pretty good to me:
X: Picture 40X (updated after thrust bearing) Video: https://youtu.be/7ILZewdsHY4
Y: Picture 41Y (factory backlash setting) Video: https://youtu.be/X1Z1q520g5Y
Z: Picture 42Z (factory backlash setting) Video: https://youtu.be/e0F2dbYSCRY
The 4[SUP]th[/SUP] is basically new. It gets used maybe 2-4 times per year. Here's an older video of it running, plus showing broken tool detection: https://youtu.be/eiJ5RN3SYiQ It hangs on a boat trailer winch for storage so you don't have to ever lift it in/out, and is on a subplate that registers and bolts to the machine table. This setup gets the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] within .001” parallel to Y and Z.
Comes with both double vises and the subplate. Vises are mounted via Orange ball locks, and there are 5 positions they can be mounted in. The subplate also has a grid of 1/2”-13 holes. As setup, these vises WILL HIT the back wall of the machine!!!
Comes with Renishaw tool setter, Renishaw spindle probe, MariTool 3” calibration tool, Dorian tool tightening fixture and 90 (Ninety!) assorted toolholders. Techniks, MariTool, etc. You get a 2” and a 2.5” Korloy facemill for aluminum, a 3” 45º Mitsubishi ASX facemill, a 3/4” APKT endmill, a 1.25” Mitsubishi AJX feedmill, a Criterion 3” boring head, the Lang chip fan, basically everything in the pictures except for the smaller mounted tools (endmills, etc). Pictures 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 and 38.
Upgraded LED cabinet lights, super awesome professional mounted.
Bunch-o-Spares, see picture 37.
Add-On coolant filtration: I'm so glad I did this. Coolant is filtered to 10 micron BEFORE it goes to the sump. The sump never has to be cleaned. See video (and read video description for more details) https://youtu.be/oWJDR9gPbNw Also picture 3 shows the gauges associated with this system. PF1 is for the 25 micron filter, PF2 is for the 10 micron filter, the last one is flood coolant pressure (5 micron filter) All spare filters are included.
Dual backup batteries have been added, and an up-to-date backup will be sent with the machine on a thumb drive.
Add-On air blast. Picture 3 (the lower gauge / regulator and manual activation button), picture 19 (solenoid / valve setup). It's plumbed to a length of locline near the spindle. It's turned on with M51 and turned off with M61.
Add-On mist collector. Picture 3 (contactor below gauge panel), picture 10, pictures 26, 27, 28 (super awesome gap fillers). The mist collector needs a dedicated 20A 208/220 3PH feed. Video of coolant returning to machine from mist collector: https://youtu.be/HukoZazKlAo
The Bad:
Spindle was reground in 2021 and the grinder fixturing came loose during grinding. It gouged the spindle, but once grinding was finished, runout is pretty good (.0002” @ 3”) and there's still tons of contact area. No change in how the machine runs, it's really just cosmetic. https://youtu.be/FtioTD1Aem8 Picture 39.
The machine alarms with 648 (DC bus shorted) and 649 (DC bus undervoltage) alarms (see picture 35) every morning, but it's because we are running so close to the incoming tap lower limit (see picture 36). Haas (Selway) master tech said this is not an issue, and the alarms clear after a couple minutes of the machine being powered on. This probably won't happen to you, depending on your incoming power.
The flood coolant pump breaker trips randomly. Sometimes twice in one week. Sometimes it will go 6 months without tripping. The breaker, motor start and run capacitors have been replaced with no change, the motor and pump spin freely by hand, and Haas can't explain it.
The 4[SUP]th[/SUP] will sometimes alarm out during homing on startup. All you have to do is jog the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] a few degrees and re-home and it will be fine. This doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.
The control will sometimes misfire during startup, showing a jumble of pixels on the screen. Just restart and it will be fine. It's done this since it was new. Maybe happens once every few months.
The manual is missing. An ex employee stole it. Can you believe that?
Specs:
X Axis Travel: 30"
Y Axis Travel: 16"
Z Axis Travel: 20"
Rapid Rate X Axis: 1,400 IPM
Rapid Rate Y Axis: 1,400 IPM
Rapid Rate Z Axis: 1,400 IPM
Table Size: 36" x 18"
Max Table Load: 1,500 LBS
Spindle Motor: 30 HP
Spindle Speed: 12,000 RPM
Spindle Taper: CAT40
Tool Changer: 24 Side mount ATC
Max Cutting 833 ipm
Max Weight 1500 lb
Max Thrust X 1995 lbf
Max Thrust Y 1995 lbf
Max Thrust Z 3085 lbf
Chip-to-Chip 3.6 s
Coolant Cap 55 gal
Weight: 7,800 LBS
Options:
Renishaw spindle probe & tool setter
Coolant Thru Spindle, 300psi
Programmable Coolant
4th Axis
Chip Auger
Coordinate Rotation & Scaling
High Speed Machining
IPS
User Definable Macros
Remote Jog Handle
History:
2013 the spindle motor went south
2014 the TSC rotary coupler failed, bent at max RPM and took out another spindle motor
2015 replaced tool changer arm seal
2016 replaced drawbar
2017 spindle regrind, no crash just worn
2019 replaced X axis thrust bearing, ball bar to tune
2021 replaced all way lube restrictors, cleaned way lube system completely, new windows, new way cover wipers
2021 replaced TRP solenoid manifold complete
2021 spindle regrind, no crash just worn