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Four Slide Machine and Tooling

edwin dirnbeck

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Oct 24, 2013
Location
st,louis mo
Penn Union makes copper split bolts with a pair of them, Place in nearby Sagertown makes automotive alternator stators with cold heading.

Machines:
Cold Forming | National Machinery llc | Tiffin
I read the history of National Machinery . They were the world leader in cold header machinery from 1870 until around 1998. They shut down and were restarted about 2002 . It looks like all new machines are made in china. Edwin Dirnbeck
 

SteelrFn

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Jul 19, 2021
I only know manufacturers that use four slide machines, they usually build their own tooling.
 

DDoug

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Oct 18, 2005
Location
NW Pa
I read the history of National Machinery . They were the world leader in cold header machinery from 1870 until around 1998. They shut down and were restarted about 2002 . It looks like all new machines are made in china. Edwin Dirnbeck

Sooo that makes it that National is no longer valid to USofA coldforming shops ?
 

DDoug

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Oct 18, 2005
Location
NW Pa
National was never a cold forming shop. They made cold forming machines. They still SELL cold forming machines . They are made in china. It is hard to tell who owns the factory.Edwin Dirnbeck

And you assumed I didn't know that ?
National designs tooling for many customers in the USofA.
As well as independent tooling shops.

Your broad statements of it all being in China now, I doo not agree with.
 

Henry Heikoop

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Feb 3, 2022
Sorry for the slow reply. Attached is a picture of the part we would like to make. We would like to set it up for just this part. I really don't know my machines. The ribbon width would be 1". Total length of part is just under 6". (not sure if I uploaded picture properly)

Clip Picture.jpg
 

Henry Heikoop

Plastic
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Feb 3, 2022
Thank you for the information Doug. I didn't think anyone was responding to the thread and then realized I wasn't logged in.
 

Peter Colman

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Sep 22, 2004
Location
Rugeley UK
I worked in a factory with several 4 slide machines, the oldest was over 100 years old and is now in a museum, they were mostly working with wire not strip.
The idea was that the wire fed through a die where it is cut off but the cutter pinched the wire to hold it and push it against a mating tool, the next two tools further pushed the wire round the centre tool last op was for the centre tool to withdraw upwards and the part would fall away.
We made the little triangles that connect a basin plug to its chain, the job was simple enough to make 3 at a time using 3 coils of wire one above the other, with a cycle time of 5 seconds, production was considerable.
Other products were wire rings, hooks cotter pins etc. with some alteration we also made chain both oval link and jack chain(figure of eight twisted chain)
An example of a strip product is the liner used in bayonet cap lamp sockets.
4 slides, like cam screw machines were ideal for high volume simple work but need special tools for:each job.
 

Big B

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Jun 26, 2009
Location
Michigan, USA
In the late 60s early 70 ,Jakes- Evans Corp. St Louis made tens of million machine gun clips. Ehrhardt Tool and Machine also in St Louis ,Made and developed and proved out the Tooling. Some People spent half of their working career on these and then it all went away just like cold headers ,screw machines ,jig grinders ,ect. Edwin Dirnbeck

Plenty of cold headers and screw machines still in use today but a lot of the screw machines are being replaced with cnc's.
 

Big B

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Jun 26, 2009
Location
Michigan, USA
I only know manufacturers that use four slide machines, they usually build their own tooling.

I toured a small shop over 40 years ago that pretty much only had a bunch of Nillson four slides and some wire EDM's. I think the guy made a lot of his own tooling on the EDM's.

If I recall correctly the guy that owned the shop said that four slides were developed for making sewing machine parts primarily.
 








 
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