FP2 Deckel Serial Number

[archimedes]

sweet effort

I purchased the Deckel and everything thing else the gentleman was selling. I now own a Deckel and a 1997 Bridgeport Hardinge with DRO and power x, y and knee (extremely low hours or very well maintained). . . . .

congratulations,
a very intelligent start to your new machining interests.
it seems the water you have waded into is of less provincial portent
than a contributor has anticipated.
as a provincial machine owner (read M head & current Lagun FT1) --
your quick minded efforts to jump ahead with quality over dictum will
pay off your investment before you know it.
i am a consistent viewer of this particular forum because of my own
interest to upgrade my tooling thesis. would have gone far more
atypical in the beginning if i had known there was a machine available
like the Deckels or the Mahos or any of the other atypical, european
mill standard.

hope you will not be shy in posting your learning curve with pics
& reflections. look forward to your future contributions.

 

[Arno]

46169 was shipped to the end user in February 1955, 45239 in April 1955.

 

[Peter from Holland]

Veloce

Is you x axe 400 or 500mm long
I guess it is 400mm

Peter from Holland

 

[Veloce]

46169 was shipped to the end user in February 1955, 45239 in April 1955.

Whoa! So this is a 1955?? Really? It's in too good of condition to be this old! I have the machine in my shop now! I also have a perfect condition operator's manuals in English and the spare parts manual. And one other item that was in the manual is a page ripped from Modern Machine Shop magazine from November 1968 which advertises the Deckel - pretty cool find here! See picture below. And two of the accessories included are the Angular Milling Spindle No.2031 and the Precision Boring Head No.2021 and a Wolhaupter boring head! I cant wait to try this machine!

 

[Veloce]

Veloce

Is you x axe 400 or 500mm long
I guess it is 400mm

Peter from Holland

Hi Peter,

It's 400mm.

-Bob

 

[Erik]

Now, that's strange.

I thought the X axis was shortened in 1967 or a bit later.
My FP2 from December 1966 has an X-axis travel of 500mm.

Cheers
Erik

 

[Veloce]

Unfortunate for me, this Deckel will be available in an auction I'm having soon...

 

[Milacron]

Unfortunate for me, this Deckel will be available in an auction I'm having soon...

Wow...that was quick. What sort of auction...whole shop local live, online only, eBay or ?

 

[Veloce]

Wow...that was quick. What sort of auction...whole shop local live, online only, eBay or ?

It will be on-line with one day inspection here at my place. I tried sending you a private message but you're full...

 

[Milacron]

It will be on-line with one day inspection here at my place. I tried sending you a private message but you're full...

Being site owner I get a constant barage of PM's..mostly from newbies that can't figure out how to post this or that...so box is usually full. Please email me at [email protected]

 

[Veloce]

Being site owner I get a constant barage of PM's..mostly from newbies that can't figure out how to post this or that...so box is usually full. Please email me at [email protected]

Sent - thanks!

 

[bsg]

Unfortunate for me, this Deckel will be available in an auction I'm having soon...

Veloce,
Please post a link to the auction for the rest of us please.

 

[Veloce]

Veloce,
Please post a link to the auction for the rest of us please.

Absolutely. Once all items are cataloged I will post information. The auction is tentatively scheduled for November 27th. There are too many other machines, accessories and measuring instruments to list here.

Thanks for your interest.

-Bob

 

[Veloce]

I'm still uncertain if auction is the best method for selling my equipment but I think it'll be the quickest. There is just so much and it would take me months to move it all through here, eBay or Craigslist.

 

[Veloce]

Whoa! So this is a 1955?? Really? It's in too good of condition to be this old! I have the machine in my shop now! I also have a perfect condition operator's manuals in English and the spare parts manual. And one other item that was in the manual is a page ripped from Modern Machine Shop magazine from November 1968 which advertises the Deckel - pretty cool find here! See picture below. And two of the accessories included are the Angular Milling Spindle No.2031 and the Precision Boring Head No.2021 and a Wolhaupter boring head! I cant wait to try this machine!View attachment 59878

I contacted a rep from DMG /MORI SEIKI USA and they confirmed with Germany this machine serial number is 1953 vintage - not sure if I want to get rid of this one now...

 

[Milacron]

I contacted a rep from DMG /MORI SEIKI USA and they confirmed with Germany this machine serial number is 1953 vintage - not sure if I want to get rid of this one now...

Why, do you envision pallet jacking into Antiques Roadshow ? A Kewpie Doll might be worth more and is much easier to carry around.

 

[AlfaGTA]

I contacted a rep from DMG /MORI SEIKI USA and they confirmed with Germany this machine serial number is 1953 vintage - not sure if I want to get rid of this one now...

Guess it all depends on what you are trying to accomplish... If this is a collector or "its cool" thing then i guess i understand. Deckel's because of the long lineage of the design, got much better as time went on. If the goal
is to cut metal i would rather be looking for a later build machine.
Later machines have much improved lube systems, better table drive/feed arrangements. Wider support for the table (read more stable) easier to shift gearboxes, better table way arrangements, more robust castings,
higher spindle speeds with the latest versions fitted with individual feed motors..(read able to feed/rapid with out having to run the spindle...also allows running the spindle in reverse, the list goes on...
In short the later machines are much better at being a milling machine, not to say your 53' is bad, just later ones are much improved. Of course if you are wanting to make parts/cut metal i would never sell your current machine
until i had a later version lined up as a replacement.
Cheers Ross

 

[Veloce]

Why, do you envision pallet jacking into Antiques Roadshow ? A Kewpie Doll might be worth more and is much easier to carry around.

Milacron,
The Kewpie Doll is German too - never knew that!

Guess it all depends on what you are trying to accomplish... If this is a collector or "its cool" thing then i guess i understand. Deckel's because of the long lineage of the design, got much better as time went on. If the goal
is to cut metal i would rather be looking for a later build machine.
Later machines have much improved lube systems, better table drive/feed arrangements. Wider support for the table (read more stable) easier to shift gearboxes, better table way arrangements, more robust castings,
higher spindle speeds with the latest versions fitted with individual feed motors..(read able to feed/rapid with out having to run the spindle...also allows running the spindle in reverse, the list goes on...
In short the later machines are much better at being a milling machine, not to say your 53' is bad, just later ones are much improved. Of course if you are wanting to make parts/cut metal i would never sell your current machine
until i had a later version lined up as a replacement.
Cheers Ross

Ross,
I would be keeping it more for the "coolness" than anything thing else. It will not make any more money for me than the Bridgeport that came along in my machine shop purchase. The Bridgeport will at least be able to provide support and secondary operations for the CNC Vertical Mill Hass I plan on getting next. I purchased the machine shop with the intention of keeping the Bridgeport, lathe, some accessories and measuring equipment then auctioning the rest off - there is so much here as far as accessories and tooling that I just don't have a need for. So the auction is scheduled for the first week of December now...

Thanks,
Bob

 

[Milacron]

I would be keeping it more for the "coolness" than anything thing else.

To each his own I guess, but to me the newer Deckels are way cooler But I admit, it is cool to have a really old one that is still pristine with original paint and great condition...assuming that is the case here.

 

[Veloce]

To each his own I guess, but to me the newer Deckels are way cooler But I admit, it is cool to have a really old one that is still pristine with original paint and great condition...assuming that is the case here.

It believe it is the original paint. The first picture I posted in this thread shows some wear around the spindle casing and it appears to have a reddish colored primer under it - not sure though. I don't have a better picture. Here is one of it when the riggers moved it and all the machines - which by the way will be available in the auction. The Deckel will probably be going - I have to be practical here and I really want my Hass CNC...