How would a shooting war effect manufacturing in Europe?

[CalG]

Well this thread has degenerated into an insult contest, so I thought I might interject some opinion, not insult.
The Ukraine is one of Europe's leading producers of grains. It is also a world leader in palladium, iron, titanium and other metals. The Ukraine is a leader in manufacturing and produces some parts and assemblies for some of our our military vehicles. The Ukraine not only produces oil, but a tremendous amount of oil produced elsewhere goes thru pipelines and rail lines thru the Ukraine to countries in Europe.

We used to export a lot of oil and natural gas, but due to lower oil costs (now on steep rises) and unfavorable rules and regulations at home, we now import a lot of oil, some of it from Russia.

So the question is no longer would a shooting war impact manufacturing in Europe, but how expensive the actual shooting war is going to be for not only Europe, but the world.

The other question is what are we going to do to make sure we can not be held captive by our need for raw materials or products that we currently import.

Right you are!

Look at a map of petroleum pipe lines across Ukraine. Russia can NOT afford to loose control of those.

I've read, since the Buyed-in thief came to orifice, the US imports 600,000 barrels a day from the Reds. May be true.. IDK.

 

[EmGo]

Do you think that telling white children they are inherently racist and forcing them to kneel before their class mates and apologize for their "whiteness" is healthy?

No, what I think would be fair is to make all the white parents and children into slaves for the next two hundred years, then lynch them and make them live in slums and let the black sheriffs and cops shoot them for the next two hundred years. Then it might sort of even out.

I want children to learn the truth. Not "cultural truth" not that it's ok to live "their truth"... I want them to learn objective, cold, hard flavorless THE truth.

That'd be okay too. The truth that white people murdered at least 4500 black people for ... being black, mostly. Or maybe whistling at a white woman, like Emmett Till. That's the truth, freedom. The actual on the ground factual murder at will and torture without consequences truth.

It is MY responsibility to teach my children about morality NOT the school system.

"polite society" does not have the right to indoctrinate my offspring. If that makes them uncomfortable? Tough shit, I don't care.

El wrongo. If you were living on a deserted island with no other people, sure. But you and they are not. School is where children are indoctrinated into their society. It's the schools' job to teach history, mathematics, civics, english, etc. Sorry about that. If you don't like it, move to somewhere with no other people.

 

[dian]

If Russia takes Ukraine, How would the ripples effect European manufacturing.

Our company has many costumers there, and we already have been effected by the pandemic.

Would this effect any of your business?

Thoughts?

at least one car manuf. plant in germany has been stalled on fiday because of lacking supply of components from their ukrainian subsidiary.

 

[thermite]

Right you are!

Look at a map of petroleum pipe lines across Ukraine. Russia can NOT afford to loose control of those.

They HAVE ALREADY lost control. And they know it. Their in-country troops have just today blown up two of the many.

Nordstream Two is never-used rust under the seabed.

Nordstream One will be equally useless if no one can or will PAY Russia.

Earlier mentioned that Netherlands had sent two hundred Stinger anti-air MANPADS to Ukraine?

Habituated Russia-Whore, Germany, must have finally gotten tired of the taste of Putin's dick?

They've agreed disconnect of RF banks from SWIFT, now already in progress, allowed German-made weapons from the Baltics to go to Ukraine, pulled FIVE HUNDRED Stingers MANPADS and FIFTEEN HUNDRED anti-tank systems from their own Army stocks annnnnd ......shipped those to Ukraine as well.

Why not? Germany itself - training with BROOMSTICKS for lack of ignorant rifles - doesn't have an "army" as even knows which end of a weapon to point at the enemy and which end to put in their mouth so as to light other end to get high.

About the only "surprises" left to go might include North Korea nuking Putin and his oligarch's hiding in their gold-plated bunker in the Urals... and China to take-over Vladivostok?

I've read, since the Buyed-in thief came to orifice, the US imports 600,000 barrels a day from the Reds. May be true.. IDK.

Not "reds". Putin's Russian Mafia have no use for "Kommunism".

They are robber-barons. Looter-parasites, AND NOT Capitalist investor-builders.

The very elites Karl Marx branded the scourge of mankind!

Pity Marx was wise enough to ID a problem, but not discerning enough to know the difference between those who build a business that pays workers well and opens the door with scholarships for their kids to grow and prosper even further,

...and the looter kind ...... that prefers to rape and traffic their children.

Oy! The Irony in it!

 

[Freedommachine]

No, what I think would be fair is to make all the white parents and children into slaves for the next two hundred years, then lynch them and make them live in slums and let the black sheriffs and cops shoot them for the next two hundred years. Then it might sort of even out.

Ahh, so you do understand what CRT is about. I figured you were a "reverse racism" sort of fella.

Since that's how you want to handle it; do the Uyghurs get to kidnap the cultural Chinese people and put them in camps? Do they get to harvest their organs and forcefully sterilize their women?

China Organ Harvest Research Center

That'd be okay too. The truth that white people murdered at least 4500 black people for ... being black, mostly. Or maybe whistling at a white woman, like Emmett Till. That's the truth, freedom. The actual on the ground factual murder at will and torture without consequences truth.

Yes Emmanuel, that is the cold, hard, flavorless truth. Why does everyone act as if CRT opponents don't know history?

"Oh, you're against radical victim indoctrination training. You must be a racist nazi ************-xeno-transaphobe."

Where do you think this obsession of injecting race, gender and victim status into the forefront of everything is going to get us?

El wrongo. If you were living on a deserted island with no other people, sure. But you and they are not. School is where children are indoctrinated into their society. It's the schools' job to teach history, mathematics, civics, english, etc. Sorry about that. If you don't like it, move to somewhere with no other people.

So what happens when society doesn't like what they're teaching and demands them to stop?

The woke snowflake brigade crys to the attorney general and the FBI goes after parents as "terrorists".

Anyway...EG, you're wrong as usual.
Can we please get back to the topic at hand; economic impact of a shooting war in Europe?

I believe there will be an impact and it will be negative.

 

[Freedommachine]

The latest S2 report:

 

[CalG]

I've always enjoyed Mark Steyn's stuttering perspective. This guest has a perspective to consider also.
Mark Steyn GB News with David Starkey 24 Feb 2022 - YouTube

Global wosses is what we have here.

I think we should send Castro's bastard child, the frog Macaroon, buyed-in and the messy haired twerp from the UK to go have a word with Mr. Pouteen. Oh, and send that Van Der Lye'inn chick along with evil Girly Schwab also.

They will all return Traumatized and need consoling.... So be it.

 

[Big B]

Do you think that telling white children they are inherently racist and forcing them to kneel before their class mates and apologize for their "whiteness" is healthy?

Where is anyone forcing any children to kneel before their classmates and apologize for their whiteness?

 

[EmGo]

Where is anyone forcing any children to kneel before their classmates and apologize for their whiteness?

In freedom's empty head. He's got a ballroom up there with all kinds of interesting guests. Most of them are refugees from the napa nuthouse, but they have a good time.

One thing I bet we can all agree on - this war/conflict/police action will give every oil company on the planet an excuse to raise prices, bigly. That's kind of a cheap bet tho, like betting on the sun rising in the east tomorrow morning.

 

[john.k]

Yeah,they wouldnt do that here....they make em apologize for having blue eyes.

 

[thermite]

Yeah,they wouldnt do that here....they make em apologize for having blue eyes.

LOL!

Cornwall UK classroom.

Teacher:

Miss S!__STOP SQUINTING AT ME!"

Miss S----, ginger-haired daughter of a Cornishman:

"I am NOT "squinting" teacher."

"My Mother is Chinese!"

 

[RC99]

Global wosses is what we have here.

I think we should send Castro's bastard child, the frog Macaroon, buyed-in and the messy haired twerp from the UK to go have a word with Mr. Pouteen. Oh, and send that Van Der Lye'inn chick along with evil Girly Schwab also.

Isn't it odd the quickly changing opinions of these "leaders".

I think they expected by now Russia would have control of the whole country so they took an initial softly softly approach. But instead the people via mass media are seeing the people of Ukraine being openly defiant against Russia and the people of western countries are starting to get behind Ukraine. The "leaders" being the followers they are and not leaders are now giving the impression of backing Ukraine, lest they become highly unpopular in their own country.

In the last 48 hours I have seen a great change in the language in EU and other "leaders".

 

[thermite]

One thing I bet we can all agree on - this war/conflict/police action will give every oil company on the planet an excuse to raise prices, bigly. That's kind of a cheap bet tho, like betting on the sun rising in the east tomorrow morning.

*yawn*

That was going to happen even if Putin went crotch sniffing in a children's orphanage and forgot to start any new wars.

Bidinista f**k ups insured it.

Petro not lifted this year goes on the market at double the price, next go.

One of my holdings expects to eventually sell more nat gas for making plastics than for burning as fuel. The plastics can be recycled more than just the one time then STILL ultimately become fuel.

That works.

 

[thermite]

Isn't it odd the quickly changing opinions of these "leaders".

I think they expected by now Russia would have control of the whole country so they took an initial softly softly approach. But instead the people via mass media are seeing the people of Ukraine being openly defiant against Russia and the people of western countries are starting to get behind Ukraine. The "leaders" being the followers they are and not leaders are now giving the impression of backing Ukraine, lest they become highly unpopular in their own country.

In the last 48 hours I have seen a great change in the language in EU and other "leaders".

May have missed a significant one. Verkovna Rada legislated the right to keep and bear arms to all Ukrainians.

Not that they were not ALREADY heavily armed. At their own expense, even.

And not just for the duration of the war, either.

What d'you figure once Ukraine has bled Mad Vlad's army to burnt bone and Vlad's fellow thieves have sent him off for "medical retirement"?

UA quietly takes back Crimea, isolates and leaves the Donbas to rot in its own sewage, liberates Belarus as a nicer place and more productive folks, actually worth having?

Mad Vlad f***ed up.

Russian elites "have their ways" of handling failures of that flavour.
Even Ukrainian-born Jews once revered for founding the "Red Army":

Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky assassinated in Mexico - HISTORY

Bye, Vlad. Past yer expiration date now.

 

[Straightedge]

All that iron-y. Nice of you to have something vaguely related to manufacturing to "contribute."

But, nah, we're halfway up the moral high ground at best. Too many racists, apologists, fraudsters, banksters, trolls, nutcase conspiracy theorists, hypocrite fundamentalists, and the like dragging us down.

The Russians protesting their government as we speak - they might have some claim to a higher moral ground. As did, say, some kids in the US protesting the idiocy of the Vietnam War or the Bush 2.0 lies that got us into Iraq. The Ukrainians fighting for their freedom - they might have some claim to a higher moral ground. Western nations willing to give up a bit of their cushy lives in economic sanctions - to make sure dictators like Putin think twice - might also be inching toward higher ground.

Seems some here - like that "social truth" dude always in the news - seem to be rooting for a world dominated by the Putins, Kims, Assads, Ayatollahs, and Talibans of the world.

And others rooting for a world with thriving and productive economies (the topic of this thread) in places like Canada, Australia, England, France, Germany, Spain, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea . . . maybe even the Ukraine and the US with fewer fraudsters in the mix. We're far from any moral high ground, but some of us actually aim for that "more perfect union" hoped for at the founding of our country.

Pete might be PM-famous for his boring walls of text. Lots of guys on PM are boring (Joe Michaels, anybody??), but what sets Pete apart is that he's Consistently Boring, like McDonalds. And nutritionless, also like McDonalds. However, unlike McDonalds, Pete's writing is sodium-free, fat-free, and vegan, powered by soy and solar. You know the smell. Anyway, the best thing about Pete, and I mean the BEST THING BY FAR, is how he DISCOVERED the Greatest Universal Truth. You want to know what it is? Ok, I'll tell you: the only thing holding the world back from Pete's perfect world is...OTHER PEOPLE. God damn, how fucked and backward is this world that we haven't mowed down humanity and repopulated the planet with a environmentally-responsible number of genetically-engineered humorless clones of Pete, all living in perfect harmony? When I think about the ideal world, it's definitely one filled with Pete-type people. We need to be serious and responsible and we need to vote for the right people. Luckily, when the world is filled with Pete clones, everybody will think like Pete, and our elections will just be Pete vs Pete, so no matter who we vote for, Pete wins.

Yeah, so it might be boring and human laughter will never be heard again, but how fucking ideal is that?

 

[thermite]

Pete might be PM-famous for his boring walls of text. Lots of guys on PM are boring (Joe Michaels, anybody??), but what sets Pete apart is that he's Consistently Boring, like McDonalds. And nutritionless, also like McDonalds. However, unlike McDonalds, Pete's writing is sodium-free, fat-free, and vegan, powered by soy and solar. You know the smell. Anyway, the best thing about Pete, and I mean the BEST THING BY FAR, is how he DISCOVERED the Greatest Universal Truth. You want to know what it is? Ok, I'll tell you: the only thing holding the world back from Pete's perfect world is...OTHER PEOPLE. God damn, how fucked and backward is this world that we haven't mowed down humanity and repopulated the planet with a environmentally-responsible number of genetically-engineered humorless clones of Pete, all living in perfect harmony? When I think about the ideal world, it's definitely one filled with Pete-type people. We need to be serious and responsible and we need to vote for the right people. Luckily, when the world is filled with Pete clones, everybody will think like Pete, and our elections will just be Pete vs Pete, so no matter who we vote for, Pete wins.

Yeah, so it might be boring and human laughter will never be heard again, but how fucking ideal is that?

*yawn*

About the most disgusting view of life seen since the hawgs ate my little brother, actually.

But you surely did nail PeteM to dead-nuts accurate.

There may be hope for at least the Machinashit craft, after all.

 

[mrSanders62]

I think your odds were off

That's why I didn't say 100. very surprised

 

[standardparts]

Pete might be PM-famous for his boring walls of text. Lots of guys on PM are boring (Joe Michaels, anybody??), but what sets Pete apart is that he's Consistently Boring, like McDonalds. And nutritionless, also like McDonalds. However, unlike McDonalds, Pete's writing is sodium-free, fat-free, and vegan, powered by soy and solar. You know the smell. Anyway, the best thing about Pete, and I mean the BEST THING BY FAR, is how he DISCOVERED the Greatest Universal Truth. You want to know what it is? Ok, I'll tell you: the only thing holding the world back from Pete's perfect world is...OTHER PEOPLE. God damn, how fucked and backward is this world that we haven't mowed down humanity and repopulated the planet with a environmentally-responsible number of genetically-engineered humorless clones of Pete, all living in perfect harmony? When I think about the ideal world, it's definitely one filled with Pete-type people. We need to be serious and responsible and we need to vote for the right people. Luckily, when the world is filled with Pete clones, everybody will think like Pete, and our elections will just be Pete vs Pete, so no matter who we vote for, Pete wins.

Yeah, so it might be boring and human laughter will never be heard again, but how fucking ideal is that?

Nailed it! Cue raucous applause and laughter!

 

[thermite]

Nailed it! Cue raucous applause and laughter!

Well.. not quite.


You didn't think anyone still GAVE a rat's ass about PeteM's blather, didja?

I mean.. the assessment was accurate enough but ... it would be equally accurate,, and more generally useful to the 'unaware' had he simply said:

"Shit stinketh!"



Or .. more germane to the thread:

Mad Vlad seems to have come down hard on Ukraine.. but far harder-yet on ..

...Russia's collective testicles!

Ukraine has the majority of the world helping them by this date.

Russian Federation? Piss-off China's suppliers and customers as well as RF's own.. and expect mercy?

How is that working out, again?

Running out of money and ordnance the RF can no longer even buy the raw materials to manufacture replacements for, is it?

Why are we not surprised that Mad Vlad was all hat, no cattle, his krew of thieves having stolen Russia bone-bare, thrice over. Already.

What's his plan? Launch yachts, cast-off hoors, and cases of Champagne at Ukrainian tanks?

Ukro's will just find a way to weaponize 'em. Clever folks.

Determined, too. Very.

 

[standardparts]

Well.. not quite.


You didn't think anyone still GAVE a rat's ass about PeteM's blather, didja?

I mean.. the assessment was accurate enough but ... it would be equally accurate,, and more generally useful to the 'unaware' had he simply said:

"Shit stinketh!"

The PM Elites like Milland and Rozen are no doubt consoling Pete right now....'Straightedge' is quite the wordsmith...