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Big B

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Spinning, albeit VERY slowly in 'lil 5ft 5" Bullshitters head....

Doxxer. Just. Can't. Resist.
Must. Retrain. Myself.
No. Willpower. Though.
Because I am a FukTard....

If it weren't for me posting you'd probably be playing bingo at the nursing home. It looks like my posts keep your blood flowing. You're welcome.
 

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I identify trump cult morons by what they write in their posts because I am the final say. If they are writing that the 2020 election was stolen because of voter fraud, they are a BIGLY TRUMP CULT MORON.
And I know a MORON when I see one in the mirror.

I don't have a real accurate count of how many of you there are on this forum because I don't know what day it is, but I can tell you that there are too many of you, and not just here but in the USA in general which is a large place. We (me and myself) can thank ronnie raygun for that. He closed the mental hospitals and here I now am.

As to doing business I don't specifically ask everyone that I do business with what their political affiliation is because I'd probably get punched in the mouth, but if I see that they are flying trump flags or wearing a trump hat or if fox noise is on in the business I'm most likely not doing business with them. Which means sometimes I do because most likely doesn't mean every time. I've done business with some who voted for trump but when they feel a need to do the whole FJB LGB thing it's a real turnoff and I'll stay away although by then it's too late to stay away, and educate my liberal friends as to who is running the business which obviously means I Doxx them too.

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termite said:
Even the SWISS have duplicated EU sanctions .. frozen Rooshin assets.

I am picturing Fucker Carlson in an ice cube, in a frosty studio :)

Can't help but think this is theater. Anyone above the level of PM poster knows how SWIFT and banking works. This wasn't a spur of the moment deal. I know it is stylish to paint Russians as imbeciles here but sorry, I'm not buying this one. Cheap playing-to-the-crowds theatrics, with probably no measurable effect.
 

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Why do you threaten someone like this? Mr Autistic Coward hiding behind a keyboard. I am not going to say when and where or what but I once posted my business e-mail on another forum unrelated to machining, pretty sure it was a vengeful liberal who did some digging, and got my business name and contact info. I go a lot of unwanted business inquires from various people. I had to change my phone number. I am sure the likes of you would do the same thing if you got a hold of mine. I think that is why you keep posting my information to see if someone knows who I am.

I'm having too much fun playing with you simpletons to take the time to send you guys anything. I've never engaged in that kind of junior high behavior, even when I was in junior high school. But I'll bet you have. Probably women that you didn't want to fist fight so you sent them shit in the mail.

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I am looking forward to you insulting me to my face, like you do hiding behind a keyboard. I am long past my prime, but I still can throw a good jab, and have a high tolerance to pain. Let us meet.

Kind of like this unsolicited request to meet for a fist fight. Keep digging loser.
 

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Some day you are going to pick a fight with the wrong person and it won't go well for you. As for me, I don't fight physically. I'd much rather beat down my opponents with words.

Hey, how about another shot of cheap vodka. You know you want it. Bottoms up loser.

I never pick fights, last scrap I was in was 25 years ago or so breaking up a bar fight, I took one to the jaw and got my cowboy hat knocked off, but I don't think that punch would have squashed a grape. I just kept the guys apart till the bouncers showed up, never threw a punch. If I wanted to pick a fight with someone I would just speak to them like you do as a coward hiding behind a keyboard.
 

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Even the SWISS have duplicated EU sanctions .. frozen Rooshin assets.

Can't help but think this is theater. Anyone above the level of PM poster knows how SWIFT and banking works. This wasn't a spur of the moment deal. I know it is stylish to paint Russians as imbeciles here but sorry, I'm not buying this one. Cheap playing-to-the-crowds theatrics, with probably no measurable effect.

EG.. Swiss, not SWIFT, the swiss who are so fookin neutral that it hurts. Except when it comes to money and reputation of covering up for real fuckwit dictators
 

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Can't help but think this is theater. Anyone above the level of PM poster knows how SWIFT and banking works. This wasn't a spur of the moment deal. I know it is stylish to paint Russians as imbeciles here but sorry, I'm not buying this one. Cheap playing-to-the-crowds theatrics, with probably no measurable effect.

Lots of moving parts and so much of it makes no sense.

Looking back at history this looks like bits and pieces of a good old regime change move. Would take some pretty powerful players so maybe the U.S., EU, with some cooperation from NATO members just because the NATO members would like to get out from under the 2% of GDP costs.

Not saying it's bad but this old regime change could prove handy to deal with any nation that does not tow the line.
 

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And you must not have read my whole post. It would be for advertising purposes. No charge buddy.


Your offer of advertising is rejected due to the misinformation you have been spreading.

I have not sent any PM's nor have I been in any communications with you other than posted exchanges on Practical Machinist. Am sure the website owner can verify that if needed. I'm sure you have been prudent and archived screen shots you felt were objectionable the same as I have.

Again, you seem to use threat of doxing as a way to settle discussions that infuriate you. I would suggest controlling your anger as I fear someone will get hurt or damaged if you continue. At this time I feel you present a threat and possible danger to my family.

As I have told you previously, your research and literal internet stalking of who I am and what my back round is quite flawed. Why not do yourself a favor and simply move on? Cease and desist.
 

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"I don't care about their religious views". "and send you a christmas card".

OK. Got it.

Yessir. What's wrong with that? Plenty of business do it. I wouldn't get offended if someone sent me a kwanzaa card or whatever.

Geeze, errybody gotta be so touchy these days.

You have a job you want quoted B? Shoot me a p.m. and I'll get you a fair quote. The offer stands for anyone here. :)

Just because we all congragate here and shit post doesn't mean we gotta hate each other.
 
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EG.. Swiss, not SWIFT, the swiss who are so fookin neutral that it hurts. Except when it comes to money and reputation of covering up for real fuckwit dictators
If you'd been paying attention you'd have noticed that that has mostly gone away. A Swiss bank account is no longer inviolable, and hasn't been for a while.

Plus the observation stands, knowing this was going to happen for a long time means the people involved would have planned for it.

The thing that to me is funny is, everyone is painting Putin as Darth Vader, a Hitler-level dictator, a madman bent on imposing his will no matter what.

Okay, let's suppose that is true. The man has ICBM's at his disposal. You really want the entire world to gang up on Russia and see what happens ? Extend your imagination a little and conjecture on what Mr Hitler would have done in his last days, if he had nukular weapons and the means to deliver them.

Judging from the western news, I would say we are not going in an intelligent direction.
 

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Well, not overtly like the Russians are; but yes, the US state department has been "influencing" every move of the Ukrainian national government.

You say I am "upside down" but tell me Gus; how much research have you done on the matter?

We are not talking about difficult to prove conspiracy here. Some basic level research on the matter will pay dividends in this case.

Do a web search for "US state department influence in Ukraine".

U.S. Relations With Ukraine - United States Department of State

Ukraine - United States Department of State

United with Ukraine - United States Department of State

Former US diplomat in Kiev warned State Department that Hunter Biden's business dealing in Ukraine - American News Times

When I do research on US government corruption, the goal is not to reinforce my bias against one side. I want to know the truth and I'll look wherever I have to in search of that.

Will you please do the same before criticizing me?

Here's a tip:

Russian reports and news articles are flavored using the same methodology ours is. The biggest difference is that Russians are often better at providing links to source documents - the only part I am interested in. It's nice when they do the work for you.

Tune out all the garbage where they tell you how to feel, grab the nugget of information, analyze it and move on.

I do not have to do research when you compare a full fledged invasion with 'influence'
And now you are down from 'occupying' to 'influence'


You are not a bright as you seem to think, and certainly not unbiased


Russia has as much to complain about Ukraine as we do with Canada

blaming an all out invasion on US 'corruption' is foolishness
 

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Here's why Russia's economy surprisingly tiny matters to you - CNN


New York CNN Business —

Russia isn’t a superpower, at least not when it comes to the global economy.

Its gross domestic product puts it as only the 12th largest economy in the world according to the International Monetary Fund, about 25% smaller than Italy and more than 20% smaller than Canada, two countries with a fraction of its population.

So in the face of its invasion of Ukraine, why is the West reluctant to hit it with the full range of available economic sanctions as has been done with other rogue states?

The answer is simple: Oil and natural gas.

Russia is the world’s largest exporter of natural gas and one of the largest exporters of oil. Some experts say cutting off those exports could drive up the prices of those commodities as much as 50% by some estimates, far more than far more modest single-digit spikes in prices experienced this past week.

“This is not North Korea. It’s not Venezuela. It’s not Iran,” said Josh Lipsky, director of the GeoEconomics Center at the Atlantic Council, an international think tank. “Because of the energy [Russia] exports, it is systematically important and especially important to the world energy market.”

The sanctions announced this week on Russia included carve outs for its energy industry. Lipsky argues if the West were to ban Russia’s energy exports, it would drive up energy prices in a way which would benefit the Russian economy rather than hurt it. He said Russia would find other buyers for its energy, such as in China, and it would have more cash coming in, not less.

“Yes, a ban on energy exports would feel like an extreme measure,” he said. “But would it actually have the desired effect?”

Right now European countries, which are far more dependent on Russian oil and natural gas, are not willing to take that step, said Gary Clyde Hufauer, senior fellow at the Peterson Institute of International Economics, an advocate of tougher measures against Russia’s energy exports.

“Europe would have had to resort to price controls and rationing,” he said. “That would be very unpopular. They weren’t willing to pay the price.”

Russia also has a rich supply of other natural resources, including lumber and many minerals. It is the second-largest producer of titanium, which is crucial for aircraft production, and Ukraine is the fifth-largest producer of the metal. Boeing could be in trouble if supplies are cut off, CEO Dave Calhoun conceded on a January earnings call.

“As long as the geopolitical situation stays tame, no problem. If it doesn’t, we’re protected for quite a while, but not forever,” he said at the time.

But Russia is not a huge market for western nations’ exports. The US exported only $6.4 billion in goods to Russia last year, according to Commerce Department data, which may sound like a lot but is actually less than one fifth of the exports going to tiny Belgium. (By comparison, US goods exported to China last year came to $151 billion.)
 
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