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Pretty common ,Id say...the guy I worked for couldnt trust anyone (so he said),so everything was down to him..........trouble was he couldnt give a clear instruction,would sort of argue with himself while telling you something,and expect you to do what produced the outcome he wanted,or thought he wanted.....Led me to ignore him ,and do what I wanted......His son was brought in to take over,and said his old man was always like that ....Funny thing was he actually couldnt trust anyone,the engineer was always downloading kiddie porn,and got sprung,the QA guy was a drunk,the woman in the office was blackmailing him(IMHO),his business partner was a softie,and hopeless manager,and the only reliable people were the two foremen and ,of course ,me.


Sounds like everywhere I ever worked before I got a professional license and went self-employed.
 
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There are always other reasons you stick around ,though.....In my case there was free diesel and oil....not tiddly stuff ,took it in 200 litre drums..and had my own purchase order book....they were subcontractors at refineries,and with a pump tag ,there was unlimited free diesel.I used to take two pallet loads of drums (8 drums) up to the farm in the company truck.And ten years later ,Im thinkin maybe I got too much oil .Maybe I just need to change it more often.
 
You'r kinda beating a dead horse if you try to keep any kind of connection with the company.
Weather the royalty compensation is worth the aggravation or not only you know.

Leaving a toxic environment can be so uplifting and open new possibilities.When you get the monkey off your back and concentrate on your new future you will sleep better and be more productive.

Why would you put your talent back under that rock?Nothing will change.
Unless you considered the job was some kind of sweet heart deal even with all the bs involved.

I've walked away from a few deals that while were financially good the trade off for peace of mind wasn't worth it.It ain't all about money.
Things always worked out better when I put the bs behind me and moved on.Never regretted it.

I once had a conversation with a very wealthy man who I had a business with about money.I told him it was not my sole motivator and what few principals I had were not for sale."How about you" I asked.
He gave me the "Dirty Harry" stealy eyed look and sternly told me"It means more than blood".
This man never had a pair of shoes until he started school(so I was told).Put himself through the U of Ga and ended up owning a very large trucking co.I never had that kind of motivation.
 
You'r kinda beating a dead horse if you try to keep any kind of connection with the company.
Weather the royalty compensation is worth the aggravation or not only you know.

Leaving a toxic environment can be so uplifting and open new possibilities.When you get the monkey off your back and concentrate on your new future you will sleep better and be more productive.

Why would you put your talent back under that rock?Nothing will change.
Unless you considered the job was some kind of sweet heart deal even with all the bs involved.

I've walked away from a few deals that while were financially good the trade off for peace of mind wasn't worth it.It ain't all about money.
Things always worked out better when I put the bs behind me and moved on.Never regretted it.

I once had a conversation with a very wealthy man who I had a business with about money.I told him it was not my sole motivator and what few principals I had were not for sale."How about you" I asked.
He gave me the "Dirty Harry" stealy eyed look and sternly told me"It means more than blood".
This man never had a pair of shoes until he started school(so I was told).Put himself through the U of Ga and ended up owning a very large trucking co.I never had that kind of motivation.


Was that Guy McKenzie?
 
No, not Guy McKenzie. His name was B.S.Reid.
The story I was told that he worked for a trucking co that employees owned stock.He started buying stock from other employees,to late the board changed the rules about that.One day he and his partner became majority holders ,called a meeting of the board and he became the new president and his partner the cfo.
When I first met him he had one of his managers take me around to some of his businesses.Dave was a decent guy and told me that Mr Reid was a tough old guy and not to let him intimidate me as he had seen him leave some of his terminal managers in tears.Not to worry I told him the only two things I was afraid of were my wife and the police!

I regret not taking all the available mentoring from him but youth and arrogance got in the way.
 
I found a new job! Only a little less money for less hours, better health insurance, no travel, close to home, flexible hours, and the ride to and from home is opposite all the heavy traffic. They hired me because of my huge experience which you only get by being older.

Spoke to one of my former coworkers, they are struggling without me because I was doing so much. Feels good.
 
I found a new job! Only a little less money for less hours, better health insurance, no travel, close to home, flexible hours, and the ride to and from home is opposite all the heavy traffic. They hired me because of my huge experience which you only get by being older.

Spoke to one of my former coworkers, they are struggling without me because I was doing so much. Feels good.

Man I like this story ... it has a happy ending! Congratulations Gary and Best Wishes!
 
What I'm not clear about, given that you have extensive experience in the field, have your house paid for and money in the bank, why you do not consider starting your own business? Go after the exact work your former incompetent employer was doing if that was your forte, and put him out of work by doing the job better? If he is as incompetent as you say, and has such bozos working for him, surely it would be rather easy to out-compete him?

I'm sure many here have had stupid or greedy or mendacious bosses, or toxic shop politics that get so tedious after a while - I certainly have - and for me at least, self-employment was freedom from all that (and introduces other challenges of course).

Or is your desire to be someone's employee mostly about securing health care benefits?
 
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Or maybe it's the desire to take it a little bit easier! After 40 years in the mining business, most as hands-on owner or manager I got out and am enjoying picking up the jobs of my choosing. Life can be much easier and less stressful. Just a little recent project to add LED H4 headlamps to Lucas pre-war headlights for a '38 Rolls. A "simple" project fraught with issues and details!
 
What I'm not clear about, given that you have extensive experience in the field, have your house paid for and money in the bank, why you do not consider starting your own business? Go after the exact work your former incompetent employer was doing if that was your forte, and put him out of work by doing the job better? If he is as incompetent as you say, and has such bozos working for him, surely it would be rather easy to out-compete him?

I'm sure many here have had stupid or greedy or mendacious bosses, or toxic shop politics that get so tedious after a while - I certainly have - and for me at least, self-employment was freedom from all that (and introduces other challenges of course).

Or is your desire to be someone's employee mostly about securing health care benefits?

I have done that for nearly 30 years, trust me, while I would not change a thing, I am certain I could not start it up today
 
I have started a business more than once. First time in an industry which was so seasonal I couldn't get the cash flow to work and I lost about $450K. Then again with a partner that had plenty of money until he bought two 1/2 million houses at the peak of the housing market for his inlaws, and while we had broken even in two years we had no operating capital to go forward and I wasn't getting a pay check. At 66 after years of 60 hour weeks, no engineering degree and wondering if I will ever save enough to retire and enjoy it I am just happy to be working again because I enjoy working.

I am finding great enjoyment mentoring the FIRST robotics team with my grandson. Also having a job that doesn't send me out of town for weeks at a time and all over the US means I may actually get my 26ft sailboat back in the water after 8 years and have time to enjoy it.
 
Glad to hear how this turned out. When I first read this thread when you posted it I got so mad I wanted to punch the slacker!

So happy to hear you are back to a place that makes you feel good. Awesome news.
 
I've read this thread on and off, some posts I haven't read.

The one thing I take away from it is that, despite your work skills and experience, you lack job survival skills. That might not matter to you, but if you are a person who doesn't like being out of work, you should give some thought as to honing those skills.
 
I am not sure what you mean by survival skills. First time I got fired in 50 years. 6 years at last job, 12 years at the previous. 8 years in my own business, 12 in the electrical business. A couple of 2 year jobs intentionally short as they weren’t intended to be permanent and one company closed. 4 weeks of unemployment this time, no other time. What am I doing wrong?
 
He means understanding "office politics" and realizing when you're being outmaneuvered. Not the easiest thing to do if you're wired like an engineer or technician, but second nature to those in politics and management. It's how they got there...
 
I'm not ragging on you, just giving you some food for thought.

I'll also say...I've worked 30+ years and seen some very 'critical' people leave the company due to better jobs, death, etc. Despite the prevailing sentiment at the time they left, I've never seen anyone cripple a company by leaving. I've seen companies become less good over it, but that never seems to slow anyone down. This, of course, would not apply to a very small company where there was one 'main dog' supported by a few others. The Jimi Hendrix Band of Gypsies comes to mind.
 
It seems in some companies you just can't change the nature of the beast. In my job, it's very close to home, the money is OK, there's plenty OT if I want it, including weekends. If things are quiet I can pretty much go and take a break whenever I want.

However, to use the words someone posted earlier, the place is rotting my soul, and despite the above benefits, I'm starting to look for a change. I've got my own little engineering shop in my garage, and when bosses literally ridicule you for making tools (at home) for work, so that you can do the job quickly and efficiently……………. I thought most bosses would support an employee like that. Well, let's just say I'm very disillusioned by the whole place. In the beginning I was taking machinery manuals home for study, and I was full of enthusiasm. Forward a few months and I'm full of resentment. Well over a year later, I'm being slowly destroyed inside.

I could write a book on all the negative things I've experienced but it's pointless. The people in charge won't change, the company culture won't change, they are not truly interested in improving things. People in all departments seem to be unhappy, and feel the company doesn't give a toss about them. Lazy, sneaky, political snakes do well, while keen hard workers seem to get used and get more load put on them.

I'm one of those guys who've spoken out when I see unfairness, but as many here have said, all it's got me is disliked by management because dealing with the lazy sneaky employees is just too much hard work for them.

All these degrees that management studies for seems such a joke in many cases. No doubt they are taught leadership skills, etc, but in the real world they are just people. Some care and some don't. Some want to do the right thing, and some don't care, etc, etc.

If your soul and self-worth means anything to you, the only answer may be to go somewhere you feel you belong, even if the money, etc is less. You just can't make a wrong place right, you gotta go to a right place.
 
This thread reminds me of advice I've often given myself but never followed (To my own hurt). My own reason for a log is that I sometimes order material and forget to add a PO or customer name or job, really dumb of course.
But with this kind of thing I wonder if a guy Kept a daily log TO HIMSELF as if no one else would ever read it, note every screw up, even my own. Record every time someone else has acted dishonestly, or taken extra undeserved breaks. Then if some jerk kept screwing me over just casually mention the journal in his hearing,,if he's smart but just morally compromised he might pick on someone else.
 








 
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