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I keep hearing that this winter will be bad for manufacturing in Europe.

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jim rozen

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"We are darn near belly up."

You're one of those 'glass half empty' guys eh?

Reduce the deficit, put the taxes back in place that were ended during TFGs term. Nobody was blubbering about deficits when corporations were getting huge tax cuts.
 

michiganbuck

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Biden said that for the “first time since the Cuban missile crisis, we have a direct threat of the use of the nuclear weapon if in fact things continue down the path they are going.”

He should add the path that "we" are making with all the bragging we are doing.
I Hope Putin has the good sense to not start it..we sure don't.
Create a new venture to blow money and hope does not blow up in our faces.

REF:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-s-scary-invocation-of-nuclear-armageddon/ar-AA12IseQ
 
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Mark Rand

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The USA is so big that it has all the assets like fuel, food, water, seaports, mineral resources, decent business practices, and so much more, but we are hell-bent to give it away or lately make bad decisions we are sure to lose advantages.
The giveaway would pay for free USA health care. Good that we can borrow money to give it away, enough that some government people don't even know how many houses they own.

I wouldn't shout too loud. The US foreign aid spending per capita and as a percentage of GNI is pretty pathetic compared with other countries' efforts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors
 

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I wouldn't shout too loud. The US foreign aid spending per capita and as a percentage of GNI is pretty pathetic compared with other countries' efforts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors
With military aid added the figure for the USA is 52 billion.
So that puts USA at about 160.00
So about 11 countries beat our spending.
I don't know how our military bases about the world figure in, likely in addition to the money we give them.
Likely an easy 30 billion here.
The Department of Defense Comptroller’s Office estimates the total cost of overseas bases and deployments at US$24.4 billion in fiscal year 2020. These figures generally exclude the costs of ongoing combat operations.
That would put us at abut $248.00 per.
 
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jim rozen

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Well here's a few billion we could save right here.


Also maybe stop paying for those hurricane things in florida. Belt-tightening all over eh?

See also the ten states with the most federal funding per resident, we could maybe turn that spigot off too.

 

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"We are darn near belly up."

You're one of those 'glass half empty' guys eh?

Reduce the deficit, put the taxes back in place that were ended during TFGs term. Nobody was blubbering about deficits when corporations were getting huge tax cuts.

C'mon Rozen...'ya better go easy with that corporate tax cut stuff. "Big Blue" does quite well with tax cuts and incentives. Was a reason our current Chief Executive was glad handing in Poughkeepsie (other than spending tax money to get votes)------"IBM and other companies in the area. through the CHIPS Act, which Biden signed it into law in August. The law gives companies historically large grants and tax incentives."------- "IBM did not explicitly lay out its $20 billion investment plans........."




 

Freedommachine

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Reduce the deficit, put the taxes back in place that were ended during TFGs term. Nobody was blubbering about deficits when corporations were getting huge tax cuts.

OR... The federal government could quit spending our money.

"Blubbering about deficits"?
Why do you love big government so much Jim?

Government should never have the right to accrue debt period. They get a set amount of tax $ for operating costs and that's it. If they cannot meet our needs with that? Then tough, we do without.


Well here's a few billion we could save right here.


Also maybe stop paying for those hurricane things in florida. Belt-tightening all over eh?

See also the ten states with the most federal funding per resident, we could maybe turn that spigot off too.


Agreed.

The federal government needs to stop taxing and subsidizing fuel. The "federal funding" b.s. needs to stop as well. If government was not so busy redistributing our wealth and telling us how to live; maybe we could all get along a bit better... just sayin.
 

jim rozen

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""Blubbering about deficits"?
Why do you love big government so much Jim?

Wake UP. if you cut all the incoming money, yes the balance sheet shows red. OMG we never could have imagined THAT would happen!!
BullSHIT on that. Republicans never care about deficits until they run them up. Clinton - balanced budget. Missed that eh.
 

michiganbuck

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QT freedommachine, ( If the government was not so busy redistributing our wealth and telling us how to live; maybe we could all get along a bit better... just sayin.)

What's wrong with sending them 10 bucks and getting $5.00 back
that must be good for somebody.
 

michiganbuck

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Qt Somebody I have not seen a good book on the effects of Nuclear war in a long time and honestly the one (yes one) seemed enough to me to see the whole futility of it. It would be a bad move for Mr. Putin to do it is high stakes poker.

If only half of them landed the USA and Russia might be just about wiped out.
It is really dumb that anybody even has them.
Putin is a tough guy. if he walked into a bar and saw all the bottles left on a table and the pepper shaker cap off he would know something was up.
Good the UK is making a statement so to let Putin know that wiping the USA alone won't be enough.
Good if Russian people make some headway against futher war.
 
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john.k

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Putin and supporters are in survival mode........Ive no doubt he is canvassing the use of limited nukes in Ukraine in the leadership group........I also suspect that the wait and see will be given time to affect the EUs resolve as heating and power is reduced this winter.........and also the US midterms ........if there is no improvement in Putins position from those events.......?
 

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Wake UP. if you cut all the incoming money, yes the balance sheet shows red. OMG we never could have imagined THAT would happen!!

Who's glass is half empty now? 🤔

We live in a different world now and you won't dare ask why. It's not 1996 anymore; the US government has become exponentially more powerful than they were back then.

Consider your neighbor's interests above that of your government and the banking cartels...you will begin to see things differently.

From the ashes of the Phoenix my friend...



Republicans never care about deficits until they run them up. Clinton - balanced budget. Missed that eh.

I'm not going to play Red vs Blue with you but since you've mentioned this twice now, I'll reply.

The US president is not a dictator. The president is not responsible for everything that happens in our country just because he signs bills. It means very little to be honest.

Congress has the power of the purse. Congress has the power to allocate all spending...no one else.

What party controlled congress for the majority of Clinton's presidency Jim?

Nevertheless, that was over 20 years ago. We are here now - hemorrhaging debt under the exact same cronies that we had back then.

The red vs blue bs is nothing more than a tribalist facade. Having a balanced budget was beneficial to the interests of the federal government back then so they balanced it. Now, spending is valuable to their interests so they spend. It has nothing to do with party affiliation or the best interests of you and I.
 
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michiganbuck

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Back when President Kenedy warned Russia to turn that ship around or else, Russia did turn the ship around.
Russia demands that the USA stops sending munition to Ukraine.
Putin backs down / we back down / bad things happen / or not.
Who would win doesn't really matter... likely both would be very hard hit.
 

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Back when President Kenedy warned Russia to turn that ship around or else, Russia did turn the ship around.
Russia demands that the USA stops sending munition to Ukraine.
Putin backs down / we back down / bad things happen / or not.
Who would win doesn't really matter... likely both would be very hard hit.

Khrushchev offered to remove the missiles from Cuba if we removed them from Turkey. Cooler heads prevailed and both parties deescalated and a negotiated a settlement was reached.

There is zero chance someone in Washington is smart enough to deescalate this current situation. There’s to much money being made from the blood of the Ukrainians to stop this disaster. Add it to the long list of US failed foreign policy. Money and greed are the only things politicians care about.
 

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Khrushchev offered to remove the missiles from Cuba if we removed them from Turkey. Cooler heads prevailed and both parties deescalated and a negotiated a settlement was reached.

There is zero chance someone in Washington is smart enough to deescalate this current situation. There’s to much money being made from the blood of the Ukrainians to stop this disaster. Add it to the long list of US failed foreign policy. Money and greed are the only things politicians care about.
Seriously, back to blaming washington
Putin invaded Ukraine and continues to fight there
Deescalation would involve him stopping, not others giving in to him
It really is simple, go home Vlad the problems stop
 

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Seriously, back to blaming washington
Putin invaded Ukraine and continues to fight there
Deescalation would involve him stopping, not others giving in to him
It really is simple, go home Vlad the problems stop
The 'problems' won't stop until the U.S. defense industry decides to stop....which will never happen. We left Afghanistan after something like 20 years and who knows how many $Billions. After Ukraine we will find some other place to spend taxpayers money on-----unless of course someone unleashes a weapon that eliminates an appetite for war.
 
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The basic problem is that the US corps are making lots of money from providing advanced weapons to ukraine and the about 170 us controlled military bases in the world.
US-controlled, as in the host country cannot enter them or inspect them or arrest anyone there without us permission.

Like The us woman in the uk last year, who killed a kid riding a bicycle, and was quickly removed to the us to avoid a trial -- almost certainly leading to her conviction and incarceration.

And the US is now advancing NATO into Finland and Sweden - a monumental error.
This leads to Finland having to abandon their very good 7.62 mm automatic rifles, well suited to combat in highly forested terrain, for silly nato 5.56 mm rounds (in finlands highly wooded terrain). At very high cost to replace about 5M rifles.
RK62 - the best automatic rifle in the world, pretty much, and one of the major bases for the israeli galil.
I carried one, and was the best shooter out of 200 in my third re-qual required training.
All special forces members, like me, were required to do several re-qual courses every now and then.

It is counterproductive for the US to have such military bases, of great cost and size and personnel.
It is silly for the US popula to pay very high taxes to support foreign military bases and foreign military adventures.
The US has a 50 year track record of having started about 50 military conflicts (wars) and very few successful outcomes afterward.

The US does *very expensive* military offenses really well.
So would most anyone gifted with such resources.

The US has a terrible track record of then later exploiting and using such military gains.
Mostly, I think, because no money is allocated to it.
The Iraq war had 1B dollars per day, and 15M$ per year for reconstruction.
Ridiculous.

The US does "wars" really well and "empire" really badly.
Recent examples are iran, syria, and now ukraine.

I think the ukraine phony war is really really stupid.
And it has most of the EU crippled in terms of energy -- aka money.
About 30% of US exports go to the EU.
If the EU is broke, they wont buy so much of US stuff like amazon, tesla, netflix.
 

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The basic problem is that the US corps are making lots of money from providing advanced weapons to ukraine and the about 170 us controlled military bases in the world.
US-controlled, as in the host country cannot enter them or inspect them or arrest anyone there without us permission.

Like The us woman in the uk last year, who killed a kid riding a bicycle, and was quickly removed to the us to avoid a trial -- almost certainly leading to her conviction and incarceration.

And the US is now advancing NATO into Finland and Sweden - a monumental error.
This leads to Finland having to abandon their very good 7.62 mm automatic rifles, well suited to combat in highly forested terrain, for silly nato 5.56 mm rounds (in finlands highly wooded terrain). At very high cost to replace about 5M rifles.
RK62 - the best automatic rifle in the world, pretty much, and one of the major bases for the israeli galil.
I carried one, and was the best shooter out of 200 in my third re-qual required training.
All special forces members, like me, were required to do several re-qual courses every now and then.

It is counterproductive for the US to have such military bases, of great cost and size and personnel.
It is silly for the US popula to pay very high taxes to support foreign military bases and foreign military adventures.
The US has a 50 year track record of having started about 50 military conflicts (wars) and very few successful outcomes afterward.

The US does *very expensive* military offenses really well.
So would most anyone gifted with such resources.

The US has a terrible track record of then later exploiting and using such military gains.
Mostly, I think, because no money is allocated to it.
The Iraq war had 1B dollars per day, and 15M$ per year for reconstruction.
Ridiculous.

The US does "wars" really well and "empire" really badly.
Recent examples are iran, syria, and now ukraine.

I think the ukraine phony war is really really stupid.
And it has most of the EU crippled in terms of energy -- aka money.
About 30% of US exports go to the EU.
If the EU is broke, they wont buy so much of US stuff like amazon, tesla, netflix.
Interesting.
“The basic problem is that the US corps are making lots of money from providing advanced weapons to ukraine and the about 170 us controlled military bases in the world.”
These companies are long established suppliers and innovators too. They are by far and large established companies. There are companies which do the same in Europe in most countries. The US does not dictate the business there and does not control the market. These US companies did not start this war and have not been price gouging anyone that I have seen.

”US-controlled, as in the host country cannot enter them or inspect them or arrest anyone there without us permission.”

Agreements like this are common when a government agrees to have another country stationed there. A US base does have certain agreements which are agreed on. Since WW2 ended these kinds of arrangements are standard even if other countries stationed here such personnel would be granted a certain autonomy to be fair.


This leads to Finland having to abandon their very good 7.62 mm automatic rifles, well suited to combat in highly forested terrain, for silly nato 5.56 mm rounds (in finlands highly wooded terrain). At very high cost to replace about 5M rifles.
RK62 - the best automatic rifle in the world, pretty much, and one of the major bases for the israeli galil.”
I had not heard that there has to be a switch I question there has to be a change. Maybe so. I see a lot of AK 47 style rifles used everywhere. Plus there are very fine rifles produced in many country. Your country Finland should do as you wish in that manner.
Forcing that to change is just wrong. I do believe the smaller caliber is for valid reasons and the trend is to provide the lower caliber rifles. They are effective and it may be the case that loading ammo to the battlefield delivers more firepower over all because more rounds can be moved with the smaller. If the lethality is considered higher for example they may consider the lower caliber to be the course. You know more than me on the subject I am just mentioning what I have read and been told. No offense.


It is counterproductive for the US to have such military bases, of great cost and size and personnel.
It is silly for the US popula to pay very high taxes to support foreign military bases and foreign military adventures.
The US has a 50 year track record of having started about 50 military conflicts (wars) and very few successful outcomes afterward.”

I agree we are too involved with conflict. It is viewed in Cold War terms where there was the USSR and the US and their proxies. Even Russia had theirs too. It is undeniable that conflict shaped the mentality. We waste a lot of money overseas. It is rather engrained into NATO and this war in Ukraine in general. I do agree with your points here.

The US is really not into gains as for example Russia is after in Ukraine. We feel we should not be taking over countries. If we did then we would be Empire building. See Iraq oil we did not take and control it though that we went into Iraq to steal it was constantly mentioned.
we needed to do that a lot differently and we do not need to be involved in such things. Our leaders are too quick to be involved in these dumb things. Ukraine is pretty clear cut as to whether we support them or not as seems clear. We are not the only ones doing so.

I do think in this instance there were concerns on the part of Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine. I can understand that if someone is complaining and picking up their rifle that there are issues to be ironed out short of what there is now which is a mess.
Hope you manage well this winter and that the war concludes.
 
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