I keep hearing that this winter will be bad for manufacturing in Europe.

[mrSanders62]

If putin blows up the dam in Ukraine will that be considered a WMD attack worthy of NATO response. Certainly a war crime for mass drownings of civilians with no military purpose.
If putin uses a dirty bomb will we know it or will we assume it was a full on atomic bomb that was a dud? Is there any difference in results?
Bill D

a real nuclear bomb must, in addition to radiation, have other external factors of destruction, such as thermal and explosive effects. but in the current situation, I think it will not be required to prove this.

 

[Mark Rand]

Just exactly when did we want nukes 90 miles off of Russia's border?
How many NATO countries have nuclear missiles?
How many have been supplied by the USA?

Well, the US had missiles in Turkey before the USSR had missiles in Cuba...
That was the root cause of the entire affair.

 

[Bill D]

Now putin is threatening to attack US satellites in orbit because they are providing war support. Like satellite images to locate mass graves or photos of broken bridges to the world.
I would say attacking a nato satellite would be an attack on nato, worthy of a military response on the ground. Very hard not to tell what country the attacking missile came from with all the space tracking and recording.
Legally it seems very similar to attacking a US flagged civilian vessel on the high seas.
Bill D

 

[Bill D]

a real nuclear bomb must, in addition to radiation, have other external factors of destruction, such as thermal and explosive effects. but in the current situation, I think it will not be required to prove this.

My, very limited, understanding of a "dud' nuclear bomb is the explosive fails to fire in the correct timed sequence. the radioactive materials just get blown apart in a chemical explosion of hundereds of pounds of TNT equivalent. This means no radiation is produced just uranium dust blows into the air.
Bill D

 

[standardparts]

So say bye-bye to windfarm (at least part of it) and say welcome back Mr. Coal.

I'm guessing this won't get much coverage in U.S. and EU media......

Stop dismantling German windfarm to expand coalmine, say authorities

Activists say deconstruction of Keyenberg turbines undermines government’s climate pledge

www.theguardian.com

 

[mrSanders62]

My, very limited, understanding of a "dud' nuclear bomb is the explosive fails to fire in the correct timed sequence. the radioactive materials just get blown apart in a chemical explosion of hundereds of pounds of TNT equivalent. This means no radiation is produced just uranium dust blows into the air.
Bill D

no. a dirty bomb does not need the same charge as a real nuclear bomb. enough for example waste from a nuclear power plant.

 

[mrSanders62]

So say bye-bye to windfarm (at least part of it) and say welcome back Mr. Coal.

I'm guessing this won't get much coverage in U.S. and EU media......

Stop dismantling German windfarm to expand coalmine, say authorities

Activists say deconstruction of Keyenberg turbines undermines government’s climate pledge

www.theguardian.com

they will mine and burn brown coal there, this is much worse than burning high-quality thermal coal. By the way, the article talks about climate change. there is a version that this is happening (floods) due to an increase in the number of windmills

 

[DDoug]

Europeans Fear Losing Competitiveness Due to Energy Crisis

As the European countries are struggling to find a solution to the energy crisis, the U.S. becomes a hot destination for the relocation of their industries.

www.telesurenglish.net

 

[SeymourDumore]

Well, the US had missiles in Turkey before the USSR had missiles in Cuba...
That was the root cause of the entire affair.

That is true Mark, but it is not material to the Russia- Ukraine - NATO discussion.
In 1997 NATO and Russia signed an agreement that no matter what nations decide and get acceptance for NATO membership in the future, none of those will ever be part of the nuclear sharing program. That means not only no nuclear missiles, but not even bombs or equipment to carry them.
To date, NATO has steadfast adhered to that agreement!

 

[Mark Rand]

Sorry, I was answering the 'when' part of the (rhetorical) question.

 

[michiganbuck]

I am dependent on natural gas here to survive the winter, Europe on fuel oil 'We can likely run the countries with less manufacturing but it is going to be tough living with no heat. Please don't turn this into I hate T or B because we have to get past that and need to start thinking about survival.

 

[standardparts]

I am dependent on natural gas here to survive the winter, Europe on fuel oil 'We can likely run the countries with less manufacturing but it is going to be tough living with no heat. Please don't turn this into I hate T or B because we have to get past that and need to start thinking about survival.

The midterms are just days away.
If your in the U.S., sit back and enjoy the show.
For those who's life involves social media, like Twitter, fasten your seatbelt.
Rest of the world.....Good Luck.

 

[michiganbuck]

QT standard parts: (The midterms are just days away.)
If the midterms go the wrong way to some we may end up with rioting.
It seems the USA and the world is going completely bonkers.
Subway pushing, trying to kill people for the heck of it.. one example of people going bonkers.

The Saudis are sensible people watching out for their own country..I wish we (the USA) would do the same.
Question (to the Saudis): Will you save us from being constantly stupid?
Answer (to the USA): No.

 

[michiganbuck]

Oil is important for Europe and USA manufacturing.

We are really nice guys selling China Oil for over 10% below average price.
Likely some government bozos got an under-the-table kick back.

The real number is almost 6 million barrels of which 4 million barrels were sold to China in November 2021—before the Russian invasion of Ukraine—and at a discount to oil sold on the market. In the November sale, oil was sold on average for $63 per barrel, or over eight dollars less than the average price of oil per barrel that month.

If we can sell oil for around $60 and buy it back for around $90 that will be a real bargain for somebody..

Re: US math skills suffered their biggest-ever setback during COVID, with just 26% of 8th graders meeting the mark..*and that may be higher than some of our people running our country.

 

[jim rozen]

"If the midterms go the wrong way to some we may end up with rioting.
It seems the USA and the world is going completely bonkers.
Subway pushing, trying to kill people for the heck of it.. one example of people going bonkers."

You mean 'more rioting.' Watch out for those hammers.

 

[michiganbuck]

Ot: not about Oil and Europe manufacturing
QT jim rozen: (You mean 'more rioting.' Watch out for those hammers)....Yes, How much crazy is needed to want to smack a politician with a hammer? and ...
Pushing people off Subway Platforms is just crazy. I know gangs do things like that for initiation, perhaps that is it.
-looks like the hammer guy was a scrubby-looking jobless white guy who made web post that were scrubbed after the incident and he belonged to hate groups.

Europe is also having riots, with a problem winter that is likey to get worse..

 

[Freedommachine]

You think Russia would tolerate a nuclear Ukraine?
I think not, which is why they've signed the memorandum where in exchange of Ukraine relinquishing all of it's nuclear arsenal ( #3 at the time by a long shot ) Russia grants complete autonomy and sovereignty to Ukraine.
You've once said Putin would be foolish to honor an agreement signed by a drunken, self soiling Yeltsin.
Well, on that same thought process, would you also agree that Ukraine could decide the same and rebuild it's nuclear arsenal?
Sure, the original soviet nuclear construction sites were beyond the Urals, far away from reach, but Ukraine has the ability and the knowhow to do it.
Tit for tat.

As far as the coup, why are you guys conveniently and in all cases forget to add the reasons for said coup?
It started as a relatively peaceful movement over a couple of weekends in response to Yanukovich reneging on THE VERY PROMISE that got him elected!
After the otherwise peaceful protesters got shot up by government police and the military, they became a bit less peaceful.
Add to it the follow up by Putin's annexation of Crimea, the now less peaceful Ukranians picked up the pitchforks.
All at the same time, Putin started arming russian-friendlies in the Donbass region, who in turn ( like immediately after Crimea ) announced their own self-annexation.
Well, yes, that brought out the animal in the Ukranians.
Like it or not, pretty or not, they do have a reason to be slightly pissed.

You people keep bringing up the example of Khrushchev's Cuban missile crisis that pissed off the USA.
Well, Putin didn't just arm a Ukraine neighboring country with missiles, he shipped them directly into it with the intent of letting the separatist fight it out!
And you talk about a US proxy war in Ukraine?

And that was my pragmatic explanation, you do not want to hear the emotional one!

Seymour, read through this when you get a chance. All of the underlined words you see scattered throughout the article are links to even more information. - it is a really informative read.

A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War

In 2014 Ukraine, great power gamesmanship, righteous anger at a corrupt status quo, and opportunistic far-right extremists toppled the government in the Maidan Revolution. Today’s crisis in Ukraine can’t be understood without understanding Maidan.

jacobin.com

 

[standardparts]

"winter will be bad for manufacturing in Europe."​

The EU seems to be faced with another challenge caused only by their own actions---Gonna be price increase on grain and fertilizer. Wonder if manufacturing servicing agriculture will get hammered.....

U.N., Turkey, Ukraine press ahead with Black Sea grain deal despite Russian pullout

Antonio Guterres was trying to revive the agreement, which aims to ease a global food crisis. President Biden said the suspension would increase starvation, and Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Russia was "weaponizing food."

www.reuters.com

 

[Trueturning]

The war started years before Russia moved troops into Ukraine.

When the US invaded Vietnam and Russia supported the NVA; was that a proxy war? Who had the moral high ground then?

Obviously had to be the Russians right? I mean, the US invaded a sovereign foreign nation and according to most people these days, that is the deciding factor on good vs bad.

Well we did not really invade South Vietnam. We took over helping S. Vietnam after the French were defeated because N. and S. Vietnam were divided still. The conflict and division sprung from WW2 partitioning.

The U.S. never lost a battle there and withdrew in the early 70’s. There was no surrender. The South was very dysfunctional and could not hold off N. Vietnam when they decided to go on the offensive. By the time the South realized what was happening it was all over.

I think since that happened that over many years Vietnam is on a much better path now. They are rather industrious. Many people who left Vietnam who went to the West still have family there and visit freely. The end result is that for all the war there it appears capitalistic ideas have prevailed.
I am glad there has been that adjustment in Vietnam and China as the end result is a better life for their citizens.

 

[Scottl]

Well we did not really invade South Vietnam. We took over helping S. Vietnam after the French were defeated because N. and S. Vietnam were divided still. The conflict and division sprung from WW2 partitioning.

The U.S. never lost a battle there and withdrew in the early 70’s. There was no surrender. The South was very dysfunctional and could not hold off N. Vietnam when they decided to go on the offensive. By the time the South realized what was happening it was all over.

I think since that happened that over many years Vietnam is on a much better path now. They are rather industrious. Many people who left Vietnam who went to the West still have family there and visit freely. The end result is that for all the war there it appears capitalistic ideas have prevailed.
I am glad there has been that adjustment in Vietnam and China as the end result is a better life for their citizens.

Actually, after we left the ARVN fought bravely for several years until they ran out of supplies after the last shipment earmarked for them was sent to Israel to replace massive losses during the 1973 war.