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OJ102

Plastic
Joined
Jul 5, 2023
Hi there,

I’m looking for some help identifying what this contraption is called, all I know is it’s someone shoemakers used as it make with 2 pairs of very old looking shoes on immaculate condition. I’d guess it’s something to do with polishing but I’m out of my zone with this thing! Any help would be great!
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L Vanice

Diamond
Joined
Feb 8, 2006
Location
Fort Wayne, IN
I can only say that I have seen similar machines in shoe repair shops over the decades. It is safe to say that each rotating device has a dedicated function, such as trimming/grinding the edges of leather soles and heels, burnishing those edges and doing a final polish on the shoe.

The local Meijer store (area chain similar to Wal-Mart) rented out a space to a shoe repairman for years, but he disappeared over fifteen years ago. Too many throwaway Chinese shoes like Crocs on too many feet for a repair shop to keep busy around here (USA). Are men's shoes with leather soles still worn in England in sufficient quantities to support the special skills needed to do new heels and soles? The musical play Kinky Boots is based on a true story of a British shoe factory suffering diminished sales some decades ago. I am old enough to remember when America had shoe factories and I managed to wear out some leather soles when I was young. I still recall falling down a stair with ceramic tile steps at school when a steel nail head in the leather heel slipped on the tile. I am pretty sure I have bought nothing but shoes with rubber soles and heels since 1963 or so.

Larry
 
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M.B. Naegle

Diamond
Joined
Feb 7, 2011
Location
Conroe, TX USA
Used for polishing and finishing leathergoods, dominantly boots and shoes. After gluing and sewing, the edges will often be rough compared to the top, but after polishing it can be made equally slick. Leather and felt flap wheels, horse hair brush wheels, and sand paper wheels are common.

I've never heard of the brand. I'd expect it's European (Germany or Italy). 1% chance that there's anyone in the world that will have or sell parts for it, so whoever wants it will need to do their own work putting it back to service, though there's a high chance that the buffing and polishing wheels are industry standard. If the shafts are 1 5/16" diameter, about any leather polishing wheels will fit it.
 

Jim Christie

Titanium
Joined
Mar 14, 2007
Location
L'Orignal, Ontario Canada
You can see a similar machine by a different maker here
The one in the original picture looks like it may have some kind of variable speed drive on the right hand end unit with the two cones running together.
I have seen this type of drive on other types of machines in old magazines or text books.
There are other volumes of this magazine listed here here
If you scroll through the magazines you may find what some of the various brushes , cutters and wheels are used for even if they are not from the same maker as yours.
There was an older thread on this forum about shoe and leather machinery here
Jim
 

animal12

Hot Rolled
Joined
Apr 9, 2009
Location
CA USA
Shoe repair equipment if you ever come across any being scrapped out is a great source for cast iron legs , shafts' pillow blocks , motors & the list keeps going . One of my bud's was storing a bunch of shoe repair equipment for a but that was in jail A year or so after the guy made parole my bud hadn't heard from him but a few times & the equipment was never brought up , so finally my bud reach's out & ask the guy when he's gonna come get his stuff & the reply was keep it . We did a lot of salvaging , I think he may have sold the sewing machines & sent the $$ to his bud . Every once in a while parts are rediscovered in the someday pile when looking for something . I've only worn lace up boots since i was a kid & the company I used to buy my boots from dropped teh ones i liked so I went a few years trying garbage boots one after another . I have 2 different size feet so shoes get kinda $$ . I finally found a company that makes boots that last & I've taken my boots to a repair shop in Reno Nv for years now to have my lift put on . I told the gal once that they have some of the coolest machines , she smiled & said most folks wouldn't even recognize what any of our stuff does . DOn't know what yer plans are for that machine , but before ya get rid of it spend some time looking at it & see if you can figure out how to use most of it for something else . A buffer ....?
animal
 

OJ102

Plastic
Joined
Jul 5, 2023
Thanks for the info. I just bought this house 3 days ago and it was burried in a workshop at the back. The property used to be a shoe shop, built in 1924. It all still moves so despite the dust it seems to be free moving. I thought it might be better suited to someone for restoration but it weighs a ton to move!
 

M.B. Naegle

Diamond
Joined
Feb 7, 2011
Location
Conroe, TX USA
..... but it weighs a ton to move!
That's another drawback to these machines. The old one's like this have all the different wheels set-up so you have a selection of wheels going all at once to jump between. The new machines are much much smaller with 1/2 or 1/4 the shaft space, and if you need/want more shaft space you would just get another machine. The transport of these old ones is prohibitive as in my experience, most leatherworkers are not metal-workers and don't have a lot of desire to work with heavy equipment unless it's necessary, but there's a fair amount of farmers and ranchers that do leatherwork in the side who have the means and knowledge to transport old iron.

If you are looking for a home for it, there are some leatherworker forums online that you might be able to post a classified on and find someone willing to move it and restore it. Don't expect to get rich, but hopefully you can find someone who can use it. My families business IS leatherworking machines, and I'd hate to admit that we scrapped the last 3 or 4 similar old iron buffing machines, simply because we couldn't justify the lost-cost of fixing them up and selling them to the limited market of guys who are willing to put the money and labor into moving such a large machine (large compared to what it does and what's available new).

They are out there though. There's not near as much as there once was, but there's still boot and shoe shops doing repairs and guys who do custom work. I remember we had one about twice the size of yours made by "American" come through our shop 15 or so years ago that went to a boot-maker who's shop was in between his kitchen and his living room, so he wanted neat restored old iron. He also had a needle and awl sewing machine that he had us restore and polish and Nickle plate 90% of the parts. Was very expensive to do but looked super sharp in the end.

IF you can't find someone who can save it, I'm with animal12 that the shafts and bearings can be repurposed, particularly to guys trying to power old line shaft driven machines (what I'm doing with the parts from the ones we scrapped). The legs tend to be kinda special and not easy to turn into things like tables, but where there's a welder there's a way!

Also, on the floor to the right there looks to be a hand crank press? Looks very much like an old German one we sold awhile back that was a special molding press for boot and shoe work. It's a bit easier to ship so that I think you could find a buyer for. If it's the one I'm thinking of it has matting curved rollers and they are not very common at all and are worth saving. Can't say what it's worth as like most things it depends of condition and if you can find the right buyer, but I think the one we had went for $800 or $1000? It was used but functional. If it's going to need some work, price goes down, way way down if it's missing parts as they'll have to be made custom.
 
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enginebill

Stainless
Joined
Feb 17, 2005
Location
Plymouth Meeting PA
I would say that the collector value is about zero and there are probably 10 of those machines for every shoe repairman left in the country. You might be able to sell it to someone that polishes other things like car parts if it can be reworked.
 

L Vanice

Diamond
Joined
Feb 8, 2006
Location
Fort Wayne, IN
Did you all see that the OP in in the UK? His local market will be unlike the USA. I suspect those Dr. Martens boots are expensive enough to justify a repair job if needed.

Larry
 

enginebill

Stainless
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Location
Plymouth Meeting PA
Did you all see that the OP in in the UK? His local market will be unlike the USA. I suspect those Dr. Martens boots are expensive enough to justify a repair job if needed.

Larry
While there may be more cobblers in the UK than the US, there are not as many as there were 100 years ago so the glut of polishing machines would still apply, even more so in the UK since they don't like change and any that are still in business are still using the machines already in situ.
 

animal12

Hot Rolled
Joined
Apr 9, 2009
Location
CA USA
I just looked at that pic's again , I like the 2 arbors on the top , their only engaged when you want them to be & you can adjust the speed by sliding the shaft back & fourth , What will they think of next ?
Hate to say it , but over here in the states those legs would sell to someone making a table , like MB says
" where there's a welder theres a way " .
animal
 








 
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