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Large Drill on pallet-good or bad?

thermite

Diamond
Its amazing how many shippers just refuse to add in a couple lag bolts, despite the too small of a pallet.

I've had four seriously heavy Reliance Duty-Master "XES" or similar extreme service / severe-duty 3-Phase motors shipped off the same surplus dealer.

Dayton Ohio yard was decent.

Emailed after each go and again when buying the next one that I would happily pay extra if their krew in the New Mexico yard would kindly run a few SCREWS thru the motor feet into the pallet.
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Next to last arrived with ONE screw.

LAST one?

ZERO! I kid you not..

Heavy 7.5 HP bugger was settin' on that shiddy pallet secured by not one damn thing but gravity and FRICTION!

Which wasn't good enough.

Valiant "Forward Air" worker-bees had been manhandling the fool thing back towards alleged-pallet center the entire journey, the last time in my direct eyeshot.

And as if it was all part of any pallet's rightful rations. BFD.

Gets to be an environment where there is never time to do s**t right in the first place, but time must be found to do it over, and more than just the one time?

A world where it is taken for granted that others WILL have f**ked, up, ALWAYS?
So one just expects that, corrects or works around the f**k-ups?

Pilgrims?

I call that "third world".

And the "real" third world does far the better job of protecting precious goods in-transit than we do!


:(
 

lucky7

Stainless
Joined
Sep 6, 2008
Location
Canada
There’s a simple solution for shippers who refuse to properly secure stuff they’re selling- refuse to buy from them AND tell them why.

For the OP, I’ve had good dealings on several machines with Bell Machinery across the moat from you. You probably know them.

L7
 

Orange Vise

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Feb 10, 2012
Location
California
That is when I got the “ we know how to do it” response.

If it were me, I'd politely tell them, "I'm cancelling the order. This is how I do it."

Because otherwise, when it arrives toppled, their response will be, "this is the first time it's ever happened." :rolleyes5:
 

Bill D

Diamond
Joined
Apr 1, 2004
Location
Modesto, CA USA
The center of gravity looks to be at least half way up the machine. Even if bolted and strapped it will tip over the entire pallet. Can the head and table be cranked down lower to the base?
The COG above base is probably double the 1/2 width of pallet so it already has a two to one advantage towards tipping. Check the table edges on arrival to make sure they are not cracked. Also check base to column for cracks.
Bill D
 

Bill D

Diamond
Joined
Apr 1, 2004
Location
Modesto, CA USA
Looking more carefully I think the COG is above the load straps. I doubt the table lock lever is designed to carry the full weight of the machine as it must for this arrangement to survive.
Bill D
 

Bill D

Diamond
Joined
Apr 1, 2004
Location
Modesto, CA USA
You have to consider the shippers math. By poorly packing goods he can decrease the workers time and cost. Saving maybe 15 minutes per big item. Multiply that by several times a day and he can save over $5,000 a year in labor plus materials and tools to make the crates. So if he loses $3,500 a year to damage he is money ahead and the bean counter is happy.
A good worker who knows what he is doing will have almost no payable damage to the goods but his pay will be higher.
Ever seen how NASA ships stuff to the launch pad? How about the simple crates designed to ship nuclear reactor fuel. I wonder what the inside of a wholesale glass truck looks like. When I toured a glass plant they said they lost most of their inventory when there was a earthquake 90 miles away. I did not see the stuff being moved. Just being cut off the end of the line and stacked on carts to go somewhere?
Bill D
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
I sell a bit of stuff on the net,and guys want me "to make a wooden crate " ...all for the $20 ebay max shipping fee......Incidentally,if you ship a motorbike by air,you have to have a crate.....which is nothing but a pitiful frame of light steel tube ,and sheet plastic.....they charge $1500 !!! for this "crate"
 

Rex TX

Titanium
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Sep 20, 2004
Location
Fort Worth, Texas
If I were shipping this I would cut the top out of a "Tank tote", lower the table all the way, set the DP in the center, wrap it with plastic, and pack tires around it inside the tote. Then cross-strap it, compressing the walls around the tires & DP
At minimum, a seriously HD pallet, reinforced with 3/4" plywood and properly bolted down.
Otherwise, I'd suggest cancelling the deal.
 

Mcgyver

Diamond
Joined
Aug 5, 2005
Location
Toronto
Just getting some feedback on the used machinery dealer prep of this machine for shipping to my location.
I suggested it was not really that great and would like some opinions. No skin off my back if it arrives damaged, I will get a refund. (I have it in writing)

maybe, but what are you going to do, sue?

imo when something is damaged in shipping, b2b, (where there isn't some big retailer standing behind everything) possession of the cash is 9/10ths of who wins/is right. Possession of the busted machine is 9/10ths of who owns the problem.
 

dalmatiangirl61

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Jan 31, 2011
Location
BFE Nevada/San Marcos Tx
Just getting some feedback on the used machinery dealer prep of this machine for shipping to my location.
I suggested it was not really that great and would like some opinions. No skin off my back if it arrives damaged, I will get a refund. (I have it in writing) I have to pay in full before they will ship and they arranged the shipping.
I asked if it was plastic or metal strapping and got no response other than "this is how we do it".

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So what happened? Did it arrive safely? Busted? Did you back out of deal? Or convince seller to secure it better? Or.........
 

DDoug

Diamond
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Oct 18, 2005
Location
NW Pa
If I were shipping this I would cut the top out of a "Tank tote", lower the table all the way, set the DP in the center, wrap it with plastic, and pack tires around it inside the tote. Then cross-strap it, compressing the walls around the tires & DP
At minimum, a seriously HD pallet, reinforced with 3/4" plywood and properly bolted down.
Otherwise, I'd suggest cancelling the deal.

That doesn't make the footprint any wider, and the steel structure under and on the sides of totes isn't very strong to withstand that DP leaning against it.
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
These guys are all the same...rely on the trucker to properly secure the machine....he s the one has to take the heat when the thing turns up on the back of his truck busted .....not to mention ,if it falls over it damages other freight ,and spills oil all over the deck ,which has to be cleaned before the next load.
 
Joined
Jan 15, 2005
Location
The Netherlands
These guys are all the same...rely on the trucker to properly secure the machine....he s the one has to take the heat when the thing turns up on the back of his truck busted .....not to mention ,if it falls over it damages other freight ,and spills oil all over the deck ,which has to be cleaned before the next load.
Off coarse the deriver iver is responsable He is the one who has to secure the load He is legaly obligated Over here it is regulated how many straps on how heavy a load is Here a load is automaticly insured to a max of about €10/ kg on most international transport Within the EU anyway

Peter
 

Milacron

Super Moderator
Joined
Dec 15, 2000
Location
SC, USA
That is a Spanish made Erlo... nice drill press. Others are right.. it will not make it like that. I once had a pristine late model Alzmetall drill shipped similar ... it arrived upright but the upper guard was cracked and handwheels bent. Then I noticed wood chips in most of the allen bolt heads on the damaged side and realized it fell over somewhere in the trucking saga and they put it upright before delivery. And that Erlo is even more top heavy than the Alzmetall was.

At least it was upright... I once ordered a new Ellis horizontal bandsaw and it arrived upside down.... same deal, fell over at some point and they didn't know which side went "up".
 

john.k

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Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
These idiots also put a heavy machine with concentrated loads on a POS disposable pallet.....the pallet collapses in spots and tips the machine over....dosent matter if its steel banded on ,bands come loose and it tips over.
 

Spud

Diamond
Joined
Jan 12, 2006
Location
Brookfield, Wisconsin
I always overdo it with crating, packing and protection when shipping equipment, so it amazes me just how shoddy and careless a lot of equipment packaging is. If you are selling something, I would think the least one could do is make sure the item is well secured and protected. Most pallets seem very shoddy, so I build my own skid / pallet.
 
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