Large train derailment in Ohio.

[jim rozen]

Evidently many chemical tank cars involved. Photos look amazing.

 

[michiganbuck]

Wow, and at a straight section of track. ????
One news \repott said possible axle problem

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=nofD0Oq+&id=B954996F94951F090C77C968AC1F5C0692648977&thid=OIP.nofD0Oq-VmwcDrHoEnWe9QHaFj&mediaurl=https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.9e87c3d0eabe566c1c0eb1e812759ef5?rik=d4lkkgZcH6xoyQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2ffarm7.static.flickr.com%2f6177%2f6224736085_4bd898ddd5_z.jpg&ehk=IYHcSC%2f8WPbOE8OrWpaskOLfbrkgrVg7vLNMsjTiu9M%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&exph=480&expw=640&q=train+car+axle+mounting&simid=608048940132232539&FORM=IRPRST&ck=A094C3A1A7DF4F24FEEA296EFABC6200&selectedIndex=18&qpvt=train+car+axle+mounting&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

 

[jim rozen]

Scary shit. Tanker car full of vinyl chloride with a stuck overpressure valve. Plan was to put a shaped charge on the tank and blow a hold in it, ignite the contents via flares in a ditch nearby. This is Red Adair time!

 

[plastikdreams]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/06/us/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-fire-monday/index.html

 

[Freedommachine]

Evidently many chemical tank cars involved. Photos look amazing.

This is the first I've heard of it. East Palestine is about 40min SE from me.

What is vinyl chloride?

 

[rklopp]

What is vinyl chloride?

It is the monomer molecule that, when polymerized (chained together) makes vinyl plastic (PVC). The monomer likes to polymerize when exposed to air, and releases a lot of heat when it does. It is highly flammable, poisonous, and carcinogenic, so nasty stuff.

 

[DDoug]

Member Mike Powell doing O.K. ?

Beeg problem going down ...: https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/live-updates/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-hazardous-materials-ntsb-evacuations/ I have relatives in the evac circle too.

www.practicalmachinist.com

 

[DDoug]

Scary shit. Tanker car full of vinyl chloride with a stuck overpressure valve. Plan was to put a shaped charge on the tank and blow a hold in it, ignite the contents via flares in a ditch nearby. This is Red Adair time!

Done and over. The video of it happening looked impressive/deadly.

East Palestine Train Derailment: Evacuation still in effect after 'successful' controlled release of toxic chemicals

Officials monitoring the smoldering, tangled wreckage of a train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, urgently warned hundreds of nearby residents who had declined to evacuate to do so immediately.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[jaguar36]

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[jaguar36]

Its amazing this sort of thing doesn't happen more frequently. 20 billion tons of material are moved on the rails in the us each year, and besides for stupid people trying to cross in front of trains you almost never hear of any issues.

Although according to AAR.org:

More than 99.9% of all hazmat moved by rail reaches its destination without a release caused by a train accident.

Which seems pretty shitty... That means that for every 1000 hazmat trains, one of them crashes.

 

[ironE]

Happy to see no sudden loss of life with this event...........also much more spectacular than shooting down Xi's balloon.
You guys south of the border are really nailing it this week.

 

[DDoug]

Back in the early 1980's we got our first Hazmat director for the county, and he gave a talk about such things.
To drive his point home, he said "you know the chemical that killed 40,000 people in Bophal India ?, Well that same chemical comes from Buffalo, thru Erie, going westward every week"

 

[Mebfab]

The US stock of railcars is aging. And the railroads are trying to run longer and longer trains at high speeds with less people....

 

[michiganbuck]

I wonder if they send in the feds like they do for a plane crash.
Rail inspection portals are getting more popular, They often detect things that people inspectors miss.
Captures various areas of interest on the car or locomotive underside including truck inner spring nest, traction motor, axles, brake linkages and securement, center bolster, and in most cases tread brake condition.

Railcar Inspection Portal - Duos Technologies

The Railcar Inspection Portal (rip®) is a modular intelligent visualization system that provides real-time detailed 360 degree imaging.

www.duostechnologies.com

 

[plastikdreams]

I wonder if they send in the feds like they do for a plane crash.
Rail inspection portals are getting more popular, They often detect things that people inspectors miss.
Captures various areas of interest on the car or locomotive underside including truck inner spring nest, traction motor, axles, brake linkages and securement, center bolster, and in most cases tread brake condition.

Railcar Inspection Portal - Duos Technologies

The Railcar Inspection Portal (rip®) is a modular intelligent visualization system that provides real-time detailed 360 degree imaging.

www.duostechnologies.com

NTSB will be investigating

 

[Scottl]

Its amazing this sort of thing doesn't happen more frequently. 20 billion tons of material are moved on the rails in the us each year, and besides for stupid people trying to cross in front of trains you almost never hear of any issues.

Although according to AAR.org:

Which seems pretty shitty... That means that for every 1000 hazmat trains, one of them crashes.

We have a mixed use line near the center of town, passengers by day and freight during the late hours. Years ago someone with a close relative who worked for the railroad said they had been told that if people knew what passed through after midnight they wouldn't be able to sleep nights.

Of course risk is nothing new. A battery factory burned with spectacular explosions about a half century ago and the famous Boston molasses flood of the early 20th century was catastrophic.

In the 19th century people died from horse and wagon accidents, today its motorcars. Always risk, just the type that changes.

 

[michiganbuck]

NTSB
The National Transportation Safety Board
My buddy's sister worked at a fireworks factory. He said that you could smell the gunpowder as soon as you passed the gate.
Fortunately, his sister was not in the factory when it blue up.

Benton fireworks disaster - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DDoug]

NTSB
The National Transportation Safety Board
My buddy's sister worked at a fireworks factory. He said that you could smell the gunpowder as soon as you passed the gate.
Fortunately, his sister was not in the factory when it blue up.

Benton fireworks disaster - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People that know what they are doing, and want to keep their employees safe:

Zambelli Fireworks

goo.gl

 

[Kingbob]

Derailments scare the shit out of me, I live down here near all the chemical plants and have an active rail line about 3/4 of a mile from the house with only empty sugar cane field between us. Add to that my "town" and the next few over are all built on Mississippi river sediment meaning the roads only go north and south so depending on the wind we can't get away.

 

[michiganbuck]

That is the "before" photo
.https://www.google.com/maps/search/Zambelli+Fireworks/@41.0526516,-80.4115214,1096m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en