Large train derailment in Ohio.

[michiganbuck]

at Summerset Mall in Troy Michigan and you stand on the second floor at the turn-around Isle it feels dead steady..and if one adult person walks across you can feel the floor vibrate. That train bridge is the same...strong enough.
Roadways bend /sag when a heavy semi goes traveling past....might need a long beam on your height gauge.

 

[4GSR]

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You sit or stand there with the big train in your nose, the platform bouncing and the river below.
It is a bit of a rush and yes this bounce normal.
Now we have the internet and idiots with a camera. I'd be more worried if it did not move.
Bob

So true. Never thought of it that way. Likewise, I've seen cross ties bounce up and down as the train cars roll over them. The deflection was nearly three times what that bridge was moving.

I guess if there was a broken rail that would be a different story.

 

[Freedommachine]

I find it interesting that all of the YouTube commentary folks are just now picking up this story.

@jim rozen had the Daily Wire folks beat by a week and we're already 3 pages deep lol.

 

[DDoug]

I find it interesting that all of the YouTube commentary folks are just now picking up this story.

@jim rozen had the Daily Wire folks beat by a week and we're already 3 pages deep lol.

Yup:

Derrame tóxico: qué pasó con el vuelco del tren del que nadie habla

El hecho ocurrió en Ohio a principios de febrero, pero tuvo poca repercusión. En el accidente se quemaron 50 vagones y varios de ellos contenían sustancias contaminantes. Los habitantes de la ciudad lindera debieron ser evacuados.

www.perfil.com

and notice the slant on it, from a mis-informed writer....

 

[Freedommachine]

Yup:

Derrame tóxico: qué pasó con el vuelco del tren del que nadie habla

El hecho ocurrió en Ohio a principios de febrero, pero tuvo poca repercusión. En el accidente se quemaron 50 vagones y varios de ellos contenían sustancias contaminantes. Los habitantes de la ciudad lindera debieron ser evacuados.

www.perfil.com

and notice the slant on it, from a mis-informed writer....

I love situations like that. When you know more about what happened than the person writing - it gives unique insight into ths BS they feed us on a regular basis.

BS that we then use to form opinions and to argue with others who formed different opinions. The world is a funny place lol.

I'm pretty sure the only reason this story received national coverage is because a journalist got arrested. No one ever mentions the 2 guys who got arrested for intentionally entering the danger zone the night that fire was lit. 1 of the men had his kids with him and was rightfully charged with child endangerment.

 

[DDoug]

Yup, and from what I heard, the "Journalist" handcuffing was pretty much justified.

Back to the "Perfil" write up, notice in the comments section, the reaction was exactly
as planned....

 

[jim rozen]

"...had the Daily Wire folks beat by a week..."

I frequent an antique radio board. One of the members lives nearby.

 

[DDoug]

Looks like the left leaning (very) "Democracy Now !" news outlet is finally running with it, seeing how a New York City "D" is making noise.

Concern Over Chemical Contamination After Ohio Train Derailment

"This is one of the deadliest environmental emergencies. And no one is talking about it," U.S. Congressman Bowman pointed out.

www.telesurenglish.net

 

[cnctoolcat]

Seems like everybody is blaming Norfolk Southern, but an accident like this really is a fluke.

It will most likely come out in the end that the railroad did nothing maliciously wrong: they were hauling the same chemicals in the same cars they have for decades, on Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) overseen mainline track, within rated track speed, with freight cars whose running-gear and braking systems are monitored and inspected on regular intervals.

In addition, lineside "defect detectors" every few miles will pick up any kind of malfunction in the train is it passes, and relay the information to the train's crew.

Most likely, a broken wheel or axle on one of the tank cars caused this calamity. Years prior, a hairline crack internal to the steel casting/forging goes undetected, until it eventually causes catastrophic failure of the wheel or axle.

A flat-spot on the wheel can also cause the wheel to fail, or even break a rail from the pounding action.

Also, the continuous-welded rail the Class 1's use is prone to breakage due to expansion and contraction---not as uncommon as you would think.

ToolCat

 

[john.k]

Failed bearing ,apparently ...a "hot box" in the old steam terminology......if only seven cars cause this much mess,imagine what a whole train of toxic chemical burning looks like.

 

[Milland]

~~~~~~~~~~Mod Delete - Political baiting ~~~~~~~~~~

 

[john.k]

Dunno what they do now,but years ago "wheel tappers" used to detect cracked wheels........hot boxes are easily detected by the overpowering smell........unfortunately ,if it takes a mile long train ten minutes to stop,a hot roller axle bearing can fail completely in that distance .........there are regular derails of the coal trains here ,but alls needed are a couple of cranes and wheel loaders to clean up.

 

[Rick Rowlands]

I live 25 miles north of East Palestine. I have been in that town many times and when I worked for the Y&S railroad we crossed the stream that has the contamination. I went down there today and drove around to get an idea about the cleanup work. Environmental crews have a section of Sulphur Run dammed up and are pumping water around that section, and within the section they are pumping the water into storage tanks for treatment. Downstream there are three more locations where there are either pumps or booms in place.

There have been hundreds of air quality tests done and none has found any level of contamination at levels worth being concerned about. This is to be expected as when the controlled burn was done the products of combustion rose up and were not blown through town. Tests are being done of nearby wells and so far nothing has been found in them either. Now it is entirely possible that a few wells around the derailment site will become contaminated at some point but a lot of that depends on the permeability of the soil at the derailment site. The chemicals did not have much time to soak into the soil as they burned within minutes of exiting the cars.

Looking at this from a purely logical and rational perspective, there isn't much to be concerned about long term in East Palestine where it comes to the chemicals themselves. However, the hype that has developed surrounding the derailment, the sensationalist news media coverage, the politicization, conspiracy theories and the general lack of basic knowledge by the general public has led to a perfect storm that may end up destroying that town. It will forever now have a stigma as an unsafe place to live, property values will fall through the floor and ultimately the residents will endure greater harm from the hysteria than from any of the chemicals.

 

[mikeylikesit]

Seems like everybody is blaming Norfolk Southern, but an accident like this really is a fluke.

It will most likely come out in the end that the railroad did nothing maliciously wrong: they were hauling the same chemicals in the same cars they have for decades, on Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) overseen mainline track, within rated track speed, with freight cars whose running-gear and braking systems are monitored and inspected on regular intervals.

In addition, lineside "defect detectors" every few miles will pick up any kind of malfunction in the train is it passes, and relay the information to the train's crew.

Most likely, a broken wheel or axle on one of the tank cars caused this calamity. Years prior, a hairline crack internal to the steel casting/forging goes undetected, until it eventually causes catastrophic failure of the wheel or axle.

A flat-spot on the wheel can also cause the wheel to fail, or even break a rail from the pounding action.

Also, the continuous-welded rail the Class 1's use is prone to breakage due to expansion and contraction---not as uncommon as you would think.

ToolCat

preach on my freind

 

[john.k]

At numerous industrial sites ,leaking vinyl chloride tanks have been found to have saturated the soil with the chemical for miles around .....apparently not concerning the companies enough to fix the leaks.

 

[Rick Rowlands]

What has been determined to be the cause was a burned off journal bearing on a covered hopper just ahead of the tankcars. The hot box detector at Salem registered the heat at 103°, but they trip at 130°, and the detector that caught the train was the East Palestine detector at 210°, but the train was already derailing as the detector was catching it, so bad timing and bad luck. There really was nothing that NS could have done differently. Had the bearing held on for another couple of miles the train would have been stopped and the main tied up for a few hours while the wheelset was changed out right there on the main.

 

[Thunderjet]

One thing I have noticed in the coverage is that there are lots of folks that LIVE THERE, are concerned/having health issues. You know, fish, cats, rodents dying.
Then, there are the folks that DON'T LIVE THERE that say everything's fine.

If Pete thinks everything's fine, then why not walk down main street hand in hand with his husband and little boy to SHOW that he really thinks this.

It would go a long way towards jacking up his credibility. Hell, an overnight stay in the local Microtel would do wonders.

Just sayin'

 

[michiganbuck]

OT:
We had a canal on Lake St Clair that was so full of toxic/cancer-causing stuff that I think they(the city) just filled it...Likely from an underground creek or sewer pipe that some company had been using for a chemical dump. I don't know what health problems resulted from that.

 

[Milland]

One thing I have noticed in the coverage is that there are lots of folks that LIVE THERE, are concerned/having health issues. You know, fish, cats, rodents dying.
Then, there are the folks that DON'T LIVE THERE that say everything's fine.

If Pete thinks everything's fine, then why not walk down main street hand in hand with his husband and little boy to SHOW that he really thinks this.

One of the rare times we agree. But there were rail safety measures that were reduced by the previous administration (Attn: Mod - facts, not baiting, please don't expunge), and the issue over overheating bearings is one that's been dealt with for decades in other situations, including availability on on-axle monitors, so there's no reason to have limited data.

Except for lack of regulation, that is. Which is why we have a Federal Railroad Administration, much like we have the Federal Aviation Administration. If the FRA was limited by the previous administration, let's make sure the hobbles are off so they can do their job.

Which is to (among other things) protect the small towns that have hazardous cargo being run through them at 50mph or so with inadequate safety measures.

 

[john.k]

My yard (sold last year) was directly in front of a toxic waste dump used for many years .....depressed land prices there for years ......it closed around 1990,and land values quickly recovered as people forgot about it.