New Machine Day and Okuma M560-V vs. 8ft tall garage door

[Wsurfer]

Man, what a garage machine !. Congrats on a job well done !.

 

[Paul Bird]

To the Op- buy some really good certified tool holders to get the most out of your spindle. Lyndex Nikken and Rego fix are my go to, there is a performance gain from a good holder.

I've just begun tooling up. I currently have 3 ER 16, 3 ER 32 and 4 side lock holders all Big Plus and all from Maritool. In concept, I really like the Rego Fix system but at this point I feel like I am hemorrhaging $1k bills like Hunter Biden on a bender. So high end holders will be put on the back burner.

Part of me hopes to find a bundle deal at IMTS (if there is such a thing) on the Rego or Big Daishowa holders - and part of me hopes not too!

 

[rklopp]

You should be thinking in terms of several dozen holders at least. You can never have enough. Even my lowly antique Deckel FP2NC with manual tool change has about 60 holders kicking around. I don't see face mills on your list. You may need at least one set up for aluminum and one for steel, depending on your work. (Which is what?) I recommend you decide on cutters and then figure out the toolholding based on that.

 

[Paul Bird]

Please update up on how you wired it up and how it is working for you(how much your electric bill goes up to once you start pumping parts out). Great machine and hope Karen with your HOA doesn't find out

The wiring goes 2/0 copper from the main panel underground to a 200 amp fused disconnect that has 200 amp slow blow fuses. From there 12 inches to the Phase Perfect. From the PP it runs 40 feet via 4 gauge copper through the garage attic strait to into the Okuma.

Power then gets fed from the master switch on the Okuma back out to the 50 kva transformer that came with the mill. This will pretty much take any voltage and output 208V. Its a sweet setup but the newer, bigger transformer won't fit under the sheet metal on the side of the machine like the earlier 560s. So this will be a corner table.

As for the HOA, I have none. The only problem I had was a city building code. Since it is an attached garage it could not be a bigger footprint than the house. So both are 3450 ft.2. In the attached pic, the top right half is the house, bottom left is the garage.

 

[Ox]

I rebuilt my garage 10 years ago from a 20x22 foot 2 car to a 3400 ft2 shop. At that time I had new underground service put in with a 400 amp service. That was smart.

The concrete for the shop was put on top of 2" of rigid foam insulation. That wasn't smart for this. So I had to cut out and jacked up (with a skid steer) the grey section of floor and had it re-poured with 16" of concrete on a triple stack of rebar. The Gosiger install tech said that it moved absolutely zero from Wednesday to Friday which he said is very rare.

16"?
Well I s'pose not!


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Think Snow Eh!
Ox

 

[Mtndew]

I've just begun tooling up. I currently have 3 ER 16, 3 ER 32 and 4 side lock holders all Big Plus and all from Maritool. In concept, I really like the Rego Fix system but at this point I feel like I am hemorrhaging $1k bills like Hunter Biden on a bender. So high end holders will be put on the back burner.

Part of me hopes to find a bundle deal at IMTS (if there is such a thing) on the Rego or Big Daishowa holders - and part of me hopes not too!

You can't go wrong with Mari-Tool. We've tooled up 3 Genos M560 mills,a Speedio and 2 Hyundai mills with their tooling. Zero complaints.

 

[Paul Bird]

I will likely end up with quite a few Maritool holders (er, side lock, face mill, slitting saw and maybe hydraulic) and a few Big Daishowa holders for finishing tools and for sure one of their boring tools.

When I built my little cnc mill I went hog wild buying Tormach TTS holders and end mills only to use 10% of them. For this, I won't repeat that mistake as it is 5X more expensive in Cat40. But eventually I will fill the 32 tool changer and then some.

For now this is a hobby machine. I have some ideas/prototypes for finished products in the works but nothing pressing.

 

[Ox]

Heck'uv'a hobby machine!


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Think Snow Eh!
Ox

 

[EndlessWaltz]

Thanks for the update. Let us know how the PP handles the loads..full rapids etc.

 

[wesg]

The Mari saw arbors are awesome. Buy every dsmn one of them. Which are apparently only dual contact now. But I don’t think it matters either way. Just a little cost.

 

[cnctoolcat]

"Let us know how the PP handles the loads..full rapids etc."

He could always slow his spindle accel/decal a tad, and even turn axis rapids down a little. I do this to all my older Mazak lathes.

He's probably not needing to squeeze every last second of cycle time...yet anyway.

ToolCat

 

[wesg]

Might consider the boring head Mari sells, if it's got a usable dia range for what you might do. Taiwan, I think. But a beautiful piece of tooling that makes a Criterion feel like a HS shop project.

 

[BarnFab]

So have you fired it up yet and started making chips ?

 

[Paul Bird]

Yes. Been making prototype parts for a couple months. The M560 is working great and I am learning daily. Issues I am having are:

Chips. I underestimated the amount. I can fill a 50 gallon trash can in just over 1 hour of cutting time! And yes, I am using roughing cutters to reduce the chip length/bulk but it is still too much to deal with. I am going to have to get a conveyor. Just not sure what direction yet. I either need a left side discharge (LNS makes Turbo MH250 for the M560) or a long right side that will go through a wall into the other side of my shop. The MH250 is about $12k + shipping so I am looking for alternatives.

Mist. I now have a nice oil film on an entire 2000sq. ft. workshop. This includes everything in it - including my boat and it's carpet. I recently ordered a Mistaway 700cfm mist collector to get a handle on the situation.

Workholding. Moving from a small (Tormach 770 sized) mill to this didn't prepare me for the additional workholding power required for 560. It is significant and I have thrown a couple parts and broken a couple end mills (including sucking up a part and breaking a 3/4" diameter YG1 carbide end mill like it was a chopstick) from material pulling up in the .06" serrated jaws I am using. I REALLY wish MMM or Anderson made a set of drop in .5" wide jaw strips that were .120" tall. Non-perfect cut stock and rolled extruded edges are not acceptable. Looked at options at IMTS and sure like the Lang system with hydraulic pre-stamping.

Other than this its awesome!

 

[BarnFab]

Thanks for teh feedback, I am just about to order and have the MayFran Conveyor on the list.
Work holding wise I have been happy with the 5th Axis RokBlocks and Centering vices.