OT:- 68,195,851 UK Covid-19 Survivors

[Trueturning]

My wife and I flew to Vegas yesterday and the Southwest ticket counter was right next to our counter. Nobody in line at all but the next flight wasn't for a few hours so that probably makes sense.

Did you take the children B?

 

[camscan]

My wife and I flew to Vegas yesterday and the Southwest ticket counter was right next to our counter. Nobody in line at all but the next flight wasn't for a few hours so that probably makes sense.

I question the word "probably". To me it definitely makes sense.

 

[dcsipo]

FUCK OFF, D'Creepo!

Nice, I was out of town and did not pay attention...So if you feed lies to the mentally deranged, you aren't responsible for anything...got it.

 

[dcsipo]

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FUCK OFF, D'Creepo!

 

[standardparts]

Certainly a reasoned choice on behalf of Southwest in that this is a market that is high priority value. They have in essence bungled the mandate and it is likely as simple as how the mandate was handled. For example these people provide a valuable service both Airline and the people who work for Southwest. So they are opposed in their efforts. It is not like these employees are the Devil for their viewpoints. They have been working all of this time.

Is there evidence that they are spreading the virus? Sort of hard to prove and if they perhaps have should they for example thrown into jail for a few months?

Why not? Doctors are claiming they will not help those who will not vax while they will help any manner of social deviate besides these objectors. Some of them refuse based on religious grounds. Why should they be persecuted for their views?

In regard to Southwest is it the case that the Airline was extremely hostile to their own employees those who they earlier supported as braving the fact that they accepted the status of preventative measures implemented across the industry.

Too even flights to Europe and from in addition to wherever has protocol for dealing with the virus. So finally the government gets tough with its own employees and the private sector is expected to follow 100 employees and up. That leaves a lot unvaxed.

Meanwhile numbers of infections are going down and so the vaccines and other measures are progressing as we see sad cases where many continue to be infected.

The measures have had what effect they have had and too the virus is doing what the virus does and that is fortunately slowing.

If Southwest took to the hostile and degrading methods you all have promoted then it is no surprise that there will be conflict. These are Americans after all and Americans do not respond well to heavy handed methods which are degrading and tyrannical.

This fits in to the Covid discussion much better than the discussion in the other thread.

Too it is relevant how things such as these are tied in. It is a administration in the White House which has bungled largely our withdrawal from Afganistan. It could have been done differently. If not they should have negotiated a extension with the Taliban. They can not acknowledge the truth and it is a recurring problem. Just take only one issue of many and it ties in well to prove the admin is highly ineffective and is angry about it.

They can not seem to do things properly. Their best and brightest have become total incompetents.

'bungled the mandate' Questions being asked...what mandate and who will enforce it?

 

[dcsipo]

'bungled the mandate' Questions being asked...what mandate and who will enforce it?

have two, lose your job, and lose your insurance unless you are vaccinated. seems to work. And guess what, private enterprise is already doing it, including Faux news.

 

[Trueturning]

The people involved in the Southwest situation has come out and said the problem has nothing to do with the mandate nor the lawsuit or even the protests. They do stand alone as far as these kinds of cancelations are concerned.

I will accept the explanation.

 

[DDoug]

have two, lose your job, and lose your insurance unless you are vaccinated. seems to work. And guess what, private enterprise is already doing it, including Faux news.

"We've changed the job rules here at Dscipo Manufacturing.....from now on, you must consume 1 lb of dogshit each week, or be fired"

 

[Big B]

Some of them refuse based on religious grounds. Why should they be persecuted for their views?

I've seen all manner of bad things being perpetrated by those who hide behind the shield of religious grounds and don't feel the need to list any of them. They are self apparent for anyone who hasn't been living in a cave for the last few decades.

 

[SeymourDumore]

And guess what, private enterprise is already doing it, including Faux news.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...eat-point-about-fox-newss-vaccination-policy/

 

[Trueturning]

I've seen all manner of bad things being perpetrated by those who hide behind the shield of religious grounds and don't feel the need to list any of them. They are self apparent for anyone who hasn't been living in a cave for the last few decades.

B that their views have never changed it is what it is. I know you have not been part of any church right as otherwise you might have noted exceptions. Too you are anti religion and so you have shown you are hostile to freedom of religion.

Since you feel this way then anything which you say will be hostile in your case because you are not only opposed to religion in general for yourself you are hostile toward it in regard to everyone else in contradiction to our constitutional freedom and hundreds of years of traditional religion.

You and your ilk are the temporary schism not us. Maybe refrain from such details since you are biased?

Latest is Eric Clapton has been cancelled for his viewpoints about the vaccines. This is a link to the story;

Eric Clapton Is Being Cancelled, Accused Of Multiple Cultural Offenses

Texas just banned mandates by private business;
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott bans any COVID-19 vaccine mandates | The Texas Tribune

I do not think that a Governor should be this invasive. Maybe in a pandemic emergency either way they could. Who knows definitely how all this will go? ROFL

 

[crazygoat]

This time I get my news from Facebook LMAO!

I sure hope you don't think that is better than your usual source.

 

[crazygoat]

The people involved in the Southwest situation has come out and said the problem has nothing to do with the mandate nor the lawsuit or even the protests. They do stand alone as far as these kinds of cancelations are concerned.

I will accept the explanation.

I am glad you finally came around to believing it wasn't just about mandates like you thought before.

 

[Trueturning]

I am glad you finally came around to believing it wasn't just about mandates like you thought before.

I will accept the obvious statements by the parties. I think they have a interest in the airline recovering. Lawsuits and protests are destabilizing however and there is usually obvious anger involved. I do not think otherwise.

There was some reason for it yet I have not seen it explained.

 

[standardparts]

have two, lose your job, and lose your insurance unless you are vaccinated. seems to work. And guess what, private enterprise is already doing it, including Faux news.

lose your job and lose your insurance....cite a reference to the law, please. Of course an employer can do as they please. But is the vaccine mandate a law passed by Congress? Who is going to enforce it other than employers discharging employees?

 

[dcsipo]

lose your job and lose your insurance....cite a reference to the law, please. Of course an employer can do as they please. But is the vaccine mandate a law passed by Congress? Who is going to enforce it other than employers discharging employees?

no need for congressional action, just disincentives for the businesses and they will make it happen. United airlines is like 90% vaccinated already...go figure.

 

[dcsipo]

"We've changed the job rules here at Dscipo Manufacturing.....from now on, you must consume 1 lb of dogshit each week, or be fired"

if it is my company I make the rules, you either lose your job or comply. got it? BTW the republicans gave me the right to do as I please in my company. You bargained away your right to organize.

 

[standardparts]

if it is my company I make the rules, you either lose your job or comply. got it? BTW the republicans gave me the right to do as I please in my company. You bargained away your right to organize.

Well for just a few minutes make believe you really have a manufacturing company that has a collective bargaining agreement. And, the person who has issued the edict is Democrat and you decide to test the law(?). If some liberal Democrat rats you out who would be showing up to enforce the law? And what law would they cite?

 

[dcsipo]

Well for just a few minutes make believe you really have a manufacturing company that has a collective bargaining agreement. And, the person who has issued the edict is Democrat and you decide to test the law(?). If some liberal Democrat rats you out who would be showing up to enforce the law? And what law would they cite?

sections 3301, 3302, and 7301 of title 5, United States Code assuming it is a government agency or has federal contracts. Or.....


The legislative history of Section 17 of the OSH Act, which, as you know, is concerned with penalties, indicates that the Congress devised the citation classification system outlined in Section 17 so that penalties might be proposed and assessed at various levels which would correspond to the nature and severity of the violations found. In fact, Section 17 is the only section of the Act which deals with violations classification.



if you are over 100 employees, otherwise tell them to F'off

in case you want to bore yourself to death, here is the link

COVID-19 Healthcare ETS | Occupational Safety and Health Administration

 

[john.k]

of course ,no one gets fired for not vaxxing.....they are rewarded with some personal time to reassess their objectives moving forward and to search for new methodologies vis a vis remuneration.