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I'm only on page 2 and have to go, but I wanted to post this.

This is why at least here in NJ, that a lot of the jobs are going to temp agencies. Even though in NJ you can be fired for any reason such as we don't think the color of your shirt works for the company outfit. But having temps keeps the pay down, you there is no reason to keep you for any reason, and it relieves the company of 90% of liability since the temp agency holds the forklift certificate. This is mostly from my customers but there are temp services for CDL truck drivers, machinist/welders, etc. It's big business and overhead driving it hard here in the northeast.

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I agree....
Real world example..????? Colin Kaepernick.....
Whatever you or I may think of his mediocre play the last few years...or his politics....he is a better backup than most teams have....but he has proven to be too big of a PIA to be easily employable.

(Yes I am aware this is not a perfect example. But it mostly fits and is current)

If you think Kaepernick is a good back up you are nuts. He has lots of flaws and an offense needs to be designed to minimize those. You don't want to change the offensive game plan when your starter goes down. He would only be a suitable back up to someone with similar flaws who runs a dumbed down offense. He was a flash in the pan, he was exposed, now he is done.
 
Hell.....


The place I currently work, more often than not, won't even accept a 2 week notice. I have seen them take the employee back to get his tools and stuff and then walk them right out the door. They send you a check for the 2 weeks notice you gave....+ vacation and whatever else is owed and say good luck.

May already have been said - I'm still working through the 5 pages of posts - but from the employee's perspective, I would say this approach is a blessing rather than the reverse. Let go with pay in lieu of notice gives you two weeks to focus on getting transitioned to the new job (or, if you don't have one lined up yet, looking for another job), while still getting a paycheck. Given two weeks of notice, and expected to work for that two weeks, means you're having to try to transition to or look for a new job while still having to work full time. Give me the two weeks pay and set me free, please!
 
when i got laid off they gave me 12 weeks pay in addition to 48 weeks pays for 32 years of working.
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out of 12 weeks before they started i was required to for a few weeks to do some cleanup work.
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never made so much money in my life. when i started new job i was still getting paid from old job
 
Finally finished reading through all 5 pages ... it is sad to realize that there are, indeed, people who would do all in their power to sabotage a workplace if, when laid off or fired, or even giving notice to work elsewhere, they were not immediately escorted out the door.

Just for the record, in case any of you should ever have to lay me off with two weeks notice, or I give you two weeks notice, and in either case I am needed to work those two weeks -- you will get the best two weeks of work I can possibly give you. I want any previous employer to be sorry to see me go, regardless of the reason for my leaving. As a matter of pride, I would want to leave every project completed if at all possible, and to leave my work area in better shape than when I came.

With Easter just around the corner, I can't resist adding - in the Bible's description of Jesus' crucifixion, it is on seeing the way that Jesus handled his death that the centurion exclaimed, "Surely this man is a son of God!" (Mark 15:39) or "Surely this man is innocent!" (Luke 23:47) Not that I make any claim to compare myself to Jesus, but if I'm going to be "crucified" at my job, I want to go out in such a way that people looking on say things like that!
 
At will is damned is : damned if you do , damned if you don't...

I can say, I've done both , given that was 20 some years ago....

People either have a mutual respect for each other or your just a number .

My observations:

There is no employee ,employer loyalty anymore it's all about the money.. The same can be said about stores and purchasing items that people need..

I trade my skill set for legal tender or a check....

If the check bounces once, you had better believe that I'll be moving on.
 
Heck it's worse than that...
Upon leaving, some large companies will simply offer this info to prospective
employers seeking you past performance:
"Said employee was employed at XY&Z company from xx/xx/xxxx until xx/xx/xxxx"

And they will NOT comment on any disciplinary actions during that time, nor
why job was terminated, or if employee left on good ground.

Nothing, nada, zilch.

I was told, this is to preclude any lawsuits from former employees.
Because, even your "We like/dislike said employee" answer cited above, has gotten company sued
from former employees.

^this^ is the norm.
 
You should hear how they do automobile accidents, I was impressed :)

You mean the part where they accidentally hit a child and then realize the hospital bills are on them so they make sure they kill the child by running him over a few times so they only have to pay for a funeral?

Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit: China’s laws have encouraged the hit to kill phenomenon.

Or the part where they steal designs / technology that they didn't have to invest in so they can manufacture with no NRE and undercut the guys who's work was stolen?

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Or the part where they harvest organs from political prisoners for folks coming into country with a wad of cash for an organ transplant vacation?

Report: China mass harvesting organs from prisoners - CNN.com

Or the part where everybody in a small town is growing tumors and dying of cancer because of industrial waste raining down on them every day?

Old news - Cancer-Stricken Chinese Village Tries to Pierce a Wall of Silence - The Washington Post

Nothing's changed - Arsenic pollution sows despair in Chinese cancer village
| Reuters


come again Bill? Why is china so awesome? :nutter:


My point is that using china as a paragon of virtue related employee treatment and HR issues (or any issues for that matter) would be laughable if it weren't so tragic.
 
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^ Yeah because none of that ever happens in your own country??? Do you ever read - see non American Sourced news? See the stories of waste spills were the local populations have cancer - miss carriage rates through the roof right there in the USA?
 
Giving an employer two weeks notice allows them some time to find help, finish jobs in process, help hand over the reins to a new person.
If an employee at the end of the day just says I am leaving as of now...that can stick it to a company, mess's with deadlines, scheduling.

As an employer, I never want to let anyone go. If someone is not performing as they need to be, they are told so, shown what needs to be improved, offered help to improve. If they do not, they are let go...they had their notice.

If business takes a bad turn, customers do not pay their bills and cannot make ends meet with current employees...it is very tough to ask someone to leave. But that is a must as it is one person(or however many) leaving to keep a company afloat, keep in the black, so to speak. Company goes under all lose jobs with no potential to hire more people again... Lousy as it is to be let go, laid off, an employee has a safety net, Unemployment insurance. Not a full wage, but something to hold you over till an new job is found.


Severance pay is all well and good...but it needs to be understood a Company does not "just pay that", that severance money comes from employees earnings, just like sick pay, vacation pay, holiday pay. As a Company we reserve a small portion of earnings and put towards those "benefits". Same as dependents claimed for paychecks...take more tax out now, have a few less bucks in your pocket and pay nothing or get a return at the end of the year OR set it up so you bring home just about every penny earned, have that cash in your pocket...but at tax season you find yourself in a bind as you have to Pay. Its just playing with the numbers.

Firing is likened to Quitting...had enough, you suck, your leaving or I'm leaving. Usually a plentiful reason for that kind of abruptness...then again not always.

Notice allows company time to transition...two weeks is the known norm...but depending on job and circumstances that can be very different. Production worker/operator...not a huge problem, usually can slide someone in...foreman that is familiar with all jobs, materials, where tooling and fixtures are, speaks with customers...that leaving can create a big hole.
Also as some mentioned, tell me you are moving on to greener pastures, while I may hate to see you go...I want nothing more then to see you reach your potential...and if that is somewhere else...so be it. I'll take a hit so you can have a better life. When that works both ways...it is a good thing.
 
^ Yeah because none of that ever happens in your own country??? Do you ever read - see non American Sourced news? See the stories of waste spills were the local populations have cancer - miss carriage rates through the roof right there in the USA?

its a point, no population is a pure as the drive snow. However one does not have to have angelic virtue to claim the high ground. ie, that some bad things happen in the States doesn't mean other places aren't far, far worse. In one instance I was involved in (within the last decade in Asia) it was promoted that a property was a great relocation site for the electronics manufacturing plant as it backed on a river so we could dump all the chemicals there. They thought us idiots for saying no thanks. There may be dumping going on in the US but a combination of social norms, rules and sanctions suggest it has to be rare compared to there where it is openly promoted.

I sell to lots of large companies and you just know talking to their people that t they very environmentally responsible at least as defined by the rules , to point where they won't do business with you if you are not. And they'll even audit our environment policies and procedures. Yeah, I know, that will generate a flurry of exception reporting by the frothing at the mouth crowd, and sure there is a dark past.... but being in business and interacting with US firms it seems to be consistently what I encounter. The frequent observation is hey don't be so critical, these places are just going through their own "dark past". hmmmm.....doesn't make it right
 
One of my dad's friends was an engineer (train driver type) for Norfolk Southern RR. About 25 yrs ago he was 61 and had worked for the RR for 35 years. Had in plenty of time to retire any time he decided to, and with the RR's seniority system he could continue to work until their mandatory retirement age of 65 if he chose to.

So he tells his wife one weekend that he's decided to hang it up and is going to put in his retirement papers the following Friday. He makes his normal run on Monday and when he gets back to the yard he gets a message that one of the bosses wants to talk to him the next day so they've got one of the extras who will make his run to allow him to stay at the yard.

He figures he'll go to the meeting with the boss and have plenty of time to get in his retirement paperwork afterward rather than waiting until Friday.

Goes to the meeting and the boss says they're getting ready to cut out some routes and are making an offer to some of the older employees to buy out their remaining time to make room for some of the younger guys and avoid any layoffs. They want to make him an offer which he could voluntarily accept or refuse.

The offer was a payment of $168,000 for his remaining time and full retirement credit for the time as if he'd worked to 65. Of course he accepted it. He said his legs were so weak he could barely walk out of the man's office as he thought about how close he'd come to missing out on that gift.
 
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should i expect 2 week notice before being let go?

Depends on what you are being "let go" for.
The people I've had to "fire" knew or should have know far in advance that it was coming if they got caught.
Layoffs or staff reductions due to workload I give more than 2 weeks advance notice.
Of interesting note is that a truly "lean" company does all it can to not let people go or reduce workforce size.

When quitting a job I've always given at least a 2 week notice, sometimes 2 months.
In this situation there are all kinds of people out there and here you can choose what/who you want to be.
You might want to "stick it" to the boss and just not show up on Monday or may have found a better paying deal and want to stay around and train the person taking your place.
Bob
 
^ Yeah because none of that ever happens in your own country??? Do you ever read - see non American Sourced news? See the stories of waste spills were the local populations have cancer - miss carriage rates through the roof right there in the USA?

Dude, you left out the part where we have tails and horns. Seriously, why would any of us read The Economist or L'Express for anything other than curiosity about what they're saying about us? Thanks to al-Gore selling his cable interest to al-Jazeera, and the RT channel, we do have outside sources at hand. Personally, except for the Fox Business Channel I consider American network news an outside source.
 
Depends on what you are being "let go" for.
The people I've had to "fire" knew or should have know far in advance that it was coming if they got caught.
Layoffs or staff reductions due to workload I give more than 2 weeks advance notice.
Of interesting note is that a truly "lean" company does all it can to not let people go or reduce workforce size.

When quitting a job I've always given at least a 2 week notice, sometimes 2 months.
In this situation there are all kinds of people out there and here you can choose what/who you want to be.
You might want to "stick it" to the boss and just not show up on Monday or may have found a better paying deal and want to stay around and train the person taking your place.
Bob

I'm sure I will have people saying "no effin way", but last place I got fired from (I deserved it so I won't go into detail), I offered to show the guy who took over my part what I was doing and my boss said nope. I'm sure he was suspicious that I would set him up, but I really was going to just let him know what I had/was going to do... On a side note, they called me about 2 months later wanting me to do contract programming, which then turned into a job offer for $2/hr more than when I got fired. ;)
 
A couple of my shop owner friends tell me they've noticed 2 day notices are becoming more common.

That's when the employee says he's taking his toolbox home on Friday because he has some home jobs to do.

Well if the employer is too dumb to realize that a guy needs to take his entire toolbox "home for a job" ... :skep:
 
Good owners don’t hate you for moving on to better pay or benefits..They often expect it..so they are quick to give you a good letter if giving letters is their norm..If you were any good likely they will take you back if the job is open.

One difference is where my son works.. The rule is if you go to another roofing company then you cant come back. It is a great company so many find that the grass is not greener. Reason for that is sharing procedures as they are often ths game changers to profit or not.

My son an all around mechanic from sky hooks to single cylinder engines got a $30K bonus last year on top of $25 per hour or more?), he was making 25 a few years ago so not sure about now.

Just saying there no reason to stiff a good owner or shop if you have a choice.
 
Say what? Listen asshole, they PAY you for the work you do, it's not a "reward'... idiot

Semantics. Pay, Reward, Remuneration, Bounty, whatever. You receive something for doing something. My four year old understands this concept, she gets rewarded for chores. If it makes you feel better about your job, call it whatever you want.
 
this entire argument can be answered with one word.

contract.


put in whatever you want. Honestly, im not for that "dont burn your bridges" crap.. i wouldnt give 2 weeks to anyone for nothing. 99% of the time, they are going to fire you at the end of the week anyway (though, I believe some places have to pay you if you give notice, but that could just be company policy)
 








 
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