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OT: why do we pay sales tax for shipping charges

tnmgcarbide

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N. GA- 33.992N , -83.72W usa
WTF? if i buy something online, i get the whole idea of somehow local sales tax will be involved-
does my county gov't really get that 8% .. i'd like to see those logistics trickle down.

anyway , if i go to the post office or fedex, and pay for a flat rate box . that'd be it .

tax the tax , then tax it some more. why do i pay extra for some person to put it into a flat-rate
USPS envelope for $7.75 when i have to pay $8.37 different for something that's already been thoroughly taxed
in the first place.

how about if it's freight , and the tax on tax becomes significant?

i'd like to discuss this with my local mayor to understand the improvements to local schools and roads
that me paying about $300-400 a year for "shipping tax" provides.



perhaps i've missed something.
 

GregSY

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Jan 1, 2005
Location
Houston
Keep in mind...you're paying all that tax with money that's already been taxed before you ever got your hands on it.

The taxes you pay have been very carefully developed over many generations. I believe the popular term now is 'gaslighting'. Slowly, taxes are increased and expanded.....each new generation is born into this so they don't know any better; they accept it without complaint.

You taxes are an important part of society. By taking your money and dishing it out to others, the socialism of liberalism is allowed to prosper. And the cream of the liberal crop are allowed to get rich. The lowly? Well, they are paid for their votes through your taxes.

If you choose to complain (and I hear a tone of complaint in your post)....RACIST!
 

eKretz

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Location
Northwest Indiana, USA
Legal robbery, that's why. Same reason I have to pay sales tax to buy used items on eBay for a person to person sale, friggin' B.S. :mad5: That's like charging sales tax at a garage sale. Paying sales tax on one item multiple times is absolute crap.
 

Bill D

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Location
Modesto, CA USA
In California there is no sales tax on food. A few years ago the math was a five dollar footlong sandwhch at subway cost five dollars. If they toasted it, for free, it became hot food and cost $5.40 because hot food is a luxury and is thus taxable.
Income tax is temporary and would be cancelled as soon as the great war was over and paid for.
Bill D
 

tnmgcarbide

Diamond
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N. GA- 33.992N , -83.72W usa
people of any disposition were not involved (that i'm aware of) i suppose it makes me -TAXIST-

we should contact american heritage, webster, and wikipedia for the new term...

TAXIST-
someone who disagrees with the fact that they have to pay sales tax for buying
used goods ,which were presumably already taxed when sold as new, then again... taxed when as used ,
plus paying sales tax atop additional shipping...which is prepaid in the first fucking place.
 

Bill D

Diamond
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Location
Modesto, CA USA
Taxes on shipping is the same reason as hotel tax. Those paying it are not living and voting in the district collecting it.
Monty Python's answer was to tax all foreigners living outside the country.
Who was it that planned to raise the minimum wage until everyone was earning more then the median income?
Bill D
 

jermfab

Cast Iron
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Jul 25, 2013
Location
atlanta, ga
Taxes are not inherently “liberal”…

Nor are they inherently EVIL!

It’s not a stretch to understand that those two words are effectively synonymous to the second poster.

I will certainly agree with the sentiment of the OP that too often we only see the money coming off each paycheck… or each transaction and really wonder if we’re getting our money’s worth.




Imagine you could opt in or out, individually, from the social construct in any developed country.

If I could give you back every single tax-dollar you’ve ever spent, adjusted for inflation and with interest, in exchange for opting OUT of tax-payer funded services from that point forward?

Would you be foolish enough to do so?!?

Sure… you could hold your head high in the knowledge you’re not aiding or abetting any “parasites”.

We can start with the reality that you’ll have a pile of cash, that can’t go into an FDIC insured bank… nor into any market or fund propped up by tax-dollars in any way.

No police will come if someone tries to take this money from you.

No firefighter will extinguish the blaze should it start.

If you have children at all you’ll be faced with the prospect of educating them wholly at your own cost…

Obviously easy, accessible loans will no longer be such.

And what about all the road you’re gonna have to build???

You know… the one that you have to build and maintain… defend… to deliver your goods or visit any of the reasons that human beings live for.

Sure you won’t need to pave multiple lanes… No matter how big your truck is… or how frequently it goes over your road, just your truck probably won’t ruin your road in your lifespan.

I shudder to think what the cost of a single, square-foot of Eisenhower Interstate Highway system actually costs to produce…

Or maintain…

Thankfully it’s all just a thought exercise…

And previous generations weren’t as shortsighted as we’ve become and paid their taxes to build the infrastructure appreciated by any first world human…


anyone on this forum…

Third-worlders are willing to DIE to enter the social construct that first-worlders are complaining about.

Only a fool thinks they can actually better administer the pittance they spend in taxes… even those taxes paid over a particularly successful and above average lifespan.

It’s only slightly more foolish to act as if there is a political leaning to the concept of taxes…

The priorities paid for by tax dollars may have a political component, the concept doesn’t.

The common thread to taxes, is civilized humanity with government of some form, historically those governments have been EVERYWHERE in the political spectrum.


We all seem to agree, irrespective of political leaning or partisan affiliation, that this ain’t the place… yet human nature means we argue the things we’re passionate about, no matter how loosely connected those passions are.

All the same, this place is about knowledge… and truth, which out be transcendent, for the purposes we all use this forum for… of partisanship.

At base the practical machinist exists for people who ultimately have far more in common than not, again, irrespective and ultimately transcendent of foolish things like politics.

No tool ever gave a fuck how you vote. Or why.

Tools are ignorant in that regard.

Nearly as much so as picking a fight like the concept of taxes, no matter how they pertain to manufacturing for the purposes of this community, have some political affiliation.

Or acting as if there’s a way to live in the modern world completely devoid of taxation in any form.




Be safe




Jeremy
 

eKretz

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Location
Northwest Indiana, USA
Not sure exactly where that diatribe came from or why?... OP has a legitimate gripe about sales tax on shipping. And for sure on taxing the sale of one item over and over again. Nobody said anything about all taxes being abolished as seems to have been railed against in the last post.
 

deltap

Cast Iron
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Location
Wisconsin, USA
Sales taxes are not only on goods but on services also. Shipping is a service. Not saying I agree or disagree. Its just how the laws are written. If something is not subject to sales tax, it is charged a use tax. Can you wrap your head around a carbon tax? Many places are now beginning a value added tax which just about gets everything.It all started with whiskey being taxed. Not the sale but the manufacture of whiskey. George needed money to pay for the war. He took a tip from the King. The war started because of unfair taxation. And so it goes death and taxes. Cradle to grave. I apologize for rambling.
 

Milland

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Not sure exactly where that diatribe came from or why?... OP has a legitimate gripe about sales tax on shipping. And for sure on taxing the sale of one item over and over again. Nobody said anything about all taxes being abolished as seems to have been railed against in the last post.

Absolutely! Something well thought out, well written, and with a point that's ON POINT?!

It has no place here, clearly.

[And from JAW-JA of, all places...]


To boil it down, perhaps we should focus on how taxes come to be, how they are factored, and where the proceeds go. How we can get the "best bang" for each dollar, and how fairly they can be collected and returned.

Because they are returned. Maybe if we noticed how and where, we'd be less angry about paying them.
 

thermite

Diamond
In California there is no sales tax on food. A few years ago the math was a five dollar footlong sandwhch at subway cost five dollars. If they toasted it, for free, it became hot food and cost $5.40 because hot food is a luxury and is thus taxable.
Income tax is temporary and would be cancelled as soon as the great war was over and paid for.
Bill D

Europe's VAT was meant to replace ALL other forms of taxation.

Believe that?

How about: ".. and Jeffrey Epstein never ejaculated in some other person's orifices."

Taxes increase for the same reason a Dog licks arsehole.
Because he can.
And it is awkward to interfere, if even anyone wanted to risk it.

"Paul Harvey News" did the math a VERY long time ago when bread was 18 cents a loaf and had less than 9 cent wheat content, wheat farmers were struggling, even so.

Yet NOBODY in the supply chain was ripping the next stage guy off.

Nine cents of the 18 cents was researched to be the result of EVERYBODY INVOLVED having to ONPASS their taxes annnnd the overheads the taxes had imposed.

I mean, whom among us has a separate pot of gold set aside for us in Heaven from which to pay OUR tax?

We have to collect it through wages or from selling goods or services at a sum high enough to cover tax as well as survive. No other option.

BTW.. Paul mentioned that historically, when total taxation surpassed 50%?

The empire was already in terminal decline.

And that was when bread was still only 18 cents a loaf. And regular gasoline was 18.9 cents a US gallon.

So what was it that kept folk in Spain from starving under its worst years of socialism?

As much as 80 percent of the economy had gone over to "black market".

Off the books, TOTALLY untaxed. Also hard to MEASURE. Which WAS the very point, after all. So was it REALLY 80%?

The "common man" with a hungry family has ever-and-always been smarter than looters in high places.

Even if forced to be more patient, "common man" eventually prevails, if only by outnumbering his parasites.

Slow, yes. Inevitable, too.

Just ask Nicolae Ceaușescu how that worked.
 

john.k

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Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
The GST (goods and services tax) here was supposed to compensate the states for all of the taxes they would drop in exchange for a stream of federal money......the GST came ,and surprise ,surprise ,the states did not drop a single tax ....and now there is a continuous airing of the need for a special tax on real estate........because that would be a tax on the rich............buuut surprise ,surprise,unless the poor live rough ,they will pay the property tax in increased rentals.
 

EPAIII

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Location
Beaumont, TX, USA
Why, you ask.

Basically, because they can. They are in charge and they can tax so they do.

And with those taxes they provide us with services so we will vote for them.

Simple, isn't it. Nothing complicated. No "rocket science" involved. Just because THEY CAN. And because we have come to expect those services that those taxes bring.

And only the very smartest of the politicians will ever realize that the system works better when the tax rates are at their LOWEST. More money is raised and more services are provided when the tax rates are the LOWEST. It seems to be completely counter intuitive. But it is non the less completely true. And so very few ever realize this: that's the real tragedy.

We were on that road and then voted against it.
 

TeachMePlease

Diamond
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Feb 11, 2014
Location
FL
Keep in mind...you're paying all that tax with money that's already been taxed before you ever got your hands on it.

The taxes you pay have been very carefully developed over many generations. I believe the popular term now is 'gaslighting'. Slowly, taxes are increased and expanded.....each new generation is born into this so they don't know any better; they accept it without complaint.

You taxes are an important part of society. By taking your money and dishing it out to others, the socialism of liberalism is allowed to prosper. And the cream of the liberal crop are allowed to get rich. The lowly? Well, they are paid for their votes through your taxes.

If you choose to complain (and I hear a tone of complaint in your post)....RACIST!

"Everything I don't like is socialism."
 

thermite

Diamond
"Everything I don't like is socialism."

Wish it were as simple as that.

A looter-lie-bore all isn't even in the same UNIVERSE as a classical "Liberal".

Closer to Mussolini's Black shirt Fascists, Ernst whatziface NAZI ""brown shirts", actually.

Their concept of "Socialism" is much the same as Robert Mugabe's idea of wealth re-distribution to his cronys. Seems Mugabe at least had a better understanding of what makes for a financially sound national economy, though. Not because Mugabe was correct. He was very badly wrong.

Just less artificially naive about that than retread Sandalista's and newbie Buyed-in-istas.
 

TeachMePlease

Diamond
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Location
FL
Wish it were as simple as that.

A looter-lie-bore all isn't even in the same UNIVERSE as a classical "Liberal".

Closer to Mussolini's Black shirt Fascists, Ernst whatziface NAZI ""brown shirts", actually.

Their concept of "Socialism" is much the same as Robert Mugabe's idea of wealth re-distribution to his cronys. Seems Mugabe at least had a better understanding of what makes for a financially sound national economy, though. Not because Mugabe was correct. He was very badly wrong.

Just less artificially naive about that than retread Sandalista's and newbie Buyed-in-istas.


Hey, I don't disagree, the loud mouth, highly visible in the media "liberals" have nothing to do with me or what I believe/want. I think the "brown shirt" liberals you're referring to are the same 1% that are highly visible but non-representative as the same 1% of conservatives that "liberals" like to point and laugh at as "cousin f*ckers".
 

standardparts

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Mar 26, 2019
If your the seller/shipper then you need to shift the cost of shipping onto the customer because sales tax ain't going away no matter how much it pisses us off. Raise the price and blame it on the "supply chain" or go into a long lecture on how "it takes a village" and social responsibility if anyone complains.
 








 
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