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OT: why do we pay sales tax for shipping charges

TDegenhart

Diamond
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Mar 26, 2011
Location
Geneva Illinois USA
Nobody likes taxes, but we have to have them in order to run the government (hold your comments please). If the total amount of tax were put into a lump sum and presented to the public there would be revolt like has never been seen. So...the taxes are hidden in all sorts of places in often small amounts hoping that no one will notice. After all, what is a few pennies on a purchase? Would you stoop over to pick up a few pennies on the sidewalk?

Tom
 

ILikeMachining

Plastic
Joined
Nov 26, 2021
Location
Kansas
The govt' could get by with about 25% of taxed/stolen revenues from we the people, yet the big govt' types want to keep taking and taking from us. By the way 10% is not a few pennies.... especially when that 10% is on top of already taxed income.
Some people don't understand percentages either, there is a percentage on the top, or on the bottom.
10% is not the same when it is on the top which is the way Govt' taxes. If you want to earn $100 and the tax rate is 10%, you don't just add 10% ($10) to cover your tax, because then you would be charging $110 and the tax rate on that figure is actually more than $10 because if is figured on the top. Now when you start getting into the real INCOME tax rates, some are paying over 50% when the figure is calculated on the bottom side, because the topside percentage always is lower mathematically, which is another way the Govt' lies to people. Let's admit it, the Govt' is a non stop lying machine, mostly on the left side. Robbing peter of his money so he can't feed his family the way he wants to, so some bum ass fool can eat for free.
 

ILikeMachining

Plastic
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Nov 26, 2021
Location
Kansas
You can't correlate a 3rd world country with, or without the tax base. Because people are the ones with intelligence. People build the countries, not the Govt. Some of you who admire high taxes, are just buying the hook line and sinker of big Govt' demanding our need for them. We don't need these people in our lives, all they do is create volatility which creates more poor folks. They want volatility which no family needs. You have to be their slave because you can't navigate your life as they throw curve balls everyday now. So you have to Slave away in factories, working 8-5, or more like I did, all the while Democrats call half the country deplorables, or enemies.... hahaha. The more you work the more they tax you, while others live for free. Yet these big govt' folks can't even fix potholes in the roads, which can cause wrecks, or damage peoples vehicles (where a normal citizen could fix the pothole anytime for minimal cost.) They can't manage their budgets without screwing the little man, or woman every year.
 

Strostkovy

Stainless
Joined
Oct 29, 2017
I'd imagine taxes are on shipping because of the $0.99 items with $129.99 shipping that used to be so common. Either to mislead consumers, or to dodge taxes, I don't know.

Either way I don't think sales tax should be a thing, despite understanding taxes pay for important things on occasion.
 

dalmatiangirl61

Titanium
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Jan 31, 2011
Location
BFE Nevada/San Marcos Tx
You can't correlate a 3rd world country with, or without the tax base. Because people are the ones with intelligence. People build the countries, not the Govt. Some of you who admire high taxes, are just buying the hook line and sinker of big Govt' demanding our need for them. We don't need these people in our lives, all they do is create volatility which creates more poor folks. They want volatility which no family needs. You have to be their slave because you can't navigate your life as they throw curve balls everyday now. So you have to Slave away in factories, working 8-5, or more like I did, all the while Democrats call half the country deplorables, or enemies.... hahaha. The more you work the more they tax you, while others live for free. Yet these big govt' folks can't even fix potholes in the roads, which can cause wrecks, or damage peoples vehicles (where a normal citizen could fix the pothole anytime for minimal cost.) They can't manage their budgets without screwing the little man, or woman every year.

Translates to "blah blah blah blah, I'm angry and bored and nobody wants to talk to me so I came here."
 

ILikeMachining

Plastic
Joined
Nov 26, 2021
Location
Kansas
I think a 10% tax across the board would be fair, 10% on income and that is it. This modern pyramid of overlapping taxes crap needs to end. THe next President needs to clean house on the whole govt; apparatus, fire all of them and hire back 10% on merit. Then give people back their own money, social security, etc... so we don't need these people managing it. Get rid of 90% of the IRS... and get rid of the huge taxcode.
 

ILikeMachining

Plastic
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Location
Kansas
Translates to "blah blah blah blah, I'm angry and bored and nobody wants to talk to me so I came here."

You are almost funny, I almost laughed at you.... but I'm not angry and not bored. Sitting in my shop with 5 machines running and me working on bends in my CNC press brake. I am the American Dream that Leftist want to destroy.... That being said, You seem pretty bored, I'll hire you to sweep my floors and clean out the coolant in my machines. I'll even pay you a bonus for taking out the trash. (Stuff I already do for free.)
After 20 years you might be able to move on up to my level of owning a real shop, with equipment that generates money while I sleep, or type here.
 

ILikeMachining

Plastic
Joined
Nov 26, 2021
Location
Kansas
Some of you might want to visit some 3rd world countries to see what life without taxation, or with taxation (with none of it spent on the peons) looks like.

If I wanted to visit areas in democrat strongholds (where wealth producing money/taxes are redistributed for equality), I would just vote for them. The 3rd world would come to me No need to visit another country for all that. We already see what leftist high tax sociopaths do to society. By the way, you big tax folks... should know the tax revenues are record high with 40 year high inflation we currently have under our new Regime, what benefits are we getting for that from old Biden? Waiting for you to make a list of items we are receiving, and please don't say free VAX testing. LMAO
 

Mebfab

Diamond
Joined
Jun 7, 2003
Location
Mebane North Carolina USA
You are almost funny, I almost laughed at you.... but I'm not angry and not bored. Sitting in my shop with 5 machines running and me working on bends in my CNC press brake. I am the American Dream that Leftist want to destroy.... That being said, You seem pretty bored, I'll hire you to sweep my floors and clean out the coolant in my machines. I'll even pay you a bonus for taking out the trash. (Stuff I already do for free.)
After 20 years you might be able to move on up to my level of owning a real shop, with equipment that generates money while I sleep, or type here.

Boy have you been watching too much fox news.
 

ILikeMachining

Plastic
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Nov 26, 2021
Location
Kansas
Boy have you been watching too much fox news.

Boy are you delusional. Thinking you commies all have the same style of comments.
Yes I'm calling you a Communist... or do you prefer a Propagandist?

Fox news this, fox news that, I don't watch any fake news, left or right.
Keep up the good work though, you already revealed yourself as a CON artist.
I hope you don't rub that Communist way of thinking, or making stuff up about others... onto your students.
It would be a shame if you did, we already have enough Commies in the USA teaching our kids/young adults.
 

ILikeMachining

Plastic
Joined
Nov 26, 2021
Location
Kansas
How many Commies do you actually know?

Personally? I don't associate with any communists, but if you study old Soviet style Propaganda you might see we have thousands, if not more here in the modern USA. Some are just base level followers or associates while others in high up positions are like captains, or capo regimes in a crime family, where they delegate and, or propagate their lies about others to the lower level people with their bullhorns, on TV and whatnot. Stalin would be proud of the modern day left in the USA. The left has all the answers to our problems, they just need most of your money to solve them. You can't solve your own problems without them.
 

Mebfab

Diamond
Joined
Jun 7, 2003
Location
Mebane North Carolina USA
Boy are you delusional. Thinking you commies all have the same style of comments.
Yes I'm calling you a Communist... or do you prefer a Propagandist?

Fox news this, fox news that, I don't watch any fake news, left or right.
Keep up the good work though, you already revealed yourself as a CON artist.
I hope you don't rub that Communist way of thinking, or making stuff up about others... onto your students.
It would be a shame if you did, we already have enough Commies in the USA teaching our kids/young adults.

Boy have you been trained by fox news, even if you dont watch them, someone who does is feeding you the hate. I can feel the hate and contempt and most of all the fear.

The board has attracted another angry old man. I dont talk politics with my students. Not my job. But I have coworkers who sound like you. They spewed it at the students nonstop. A few follow. The overwhelming majority laugh behind there back. And its the #1 reason nobody young goes into this trade. The second they run into the angry old men like you.... BOOM of they go to something else.

PS, this is a machinist board. You have contributed zero so far. Thanks for stopping by and trolling.
 

ILikeMachining

Plastic
Joined
Nov 26, 2021
Location
Kansas
Boy have you been trained by fox news, even if you dont watch them, someone who does is feeding you the hate. I can feel the hate and contempt and most of all the fear.

The board has attracted another angry old man. I dont talk politics with my students. Not my job. But I have coworkers who sound like you. They spewed it at the students nonstop. A few follow. The overwhelming majority laugh behind there back. And its the #1 reason nobody young goes into this trade. The second they run into the angry old men like you.... BOOM of they go to something else.

PS, this is a machinist board. You have contributed zero so far. Thanks for stopping by and trolling.

What did your posts contribute other than lies, two times now? Fox NEWS fox news, etc. etc.
I have a lot to contribute, in many ways, from basic machining, Metrology, machine building, CNC plasma construction, etc. etc. and also lots to learn from people who actually have knowledge to share.

Your post adds no value to the topic on taxes, My response to your post adds none as well, but you deserved the response.

"Boy have you been trained by fox news, even if you dont watch them"

See this is beyond normal.... How can you sit there and honestly write this nonsense?

Anyways your Propaganda is almost soviet style. Why did you troll my post?
My first post here was about helping a person trouble shoot their Overload alarm on a circuit board.

I have plenty of knowledge to share, programming wise, maybe edits to machine posts, or different ways to build things, etc. as the topics come up.
 

PeteM

Diamond
Joined
Jan 15, 2002
Location
West Coast, USA
. . . To be honest a rich person probably uses less government services then the poor. They seldom get police called on them. Few spend time in jail at public expense etc. A smaller percentage of their children go to public school etc.
Bill D

Probably not, Bill.

If you're rich, you use the US government to educate your workers, build roads to bring materials in and ship goods out, and use the courts to enforce contracts. You may need lots of power and water to run a business. In some cases, the government will pick the tab for the pollution you leave behind, the accidents that devastate a region, the hedge-fund disappearing pensions and so on.

If you're really rich, you use the US government to protect your businesses in "banana republics" overseas, use the Fifth Fleet to keep Middle Eastern shipping lanes open for oil, make laws that prevent bargaining over drug prices, enforce your patents and trademarks, and erect tariffs and trade barriers to protect your profits.

If you're in finance, you've sometimes become near half the nation's GDP profits, due mainly to political and regulatory favor. You may also get lots of printed, zero interest rate, or quantitative eased money to run financial games - with the rest of us paying for this in inflation. Not only do you get to pay super low taxes, but you don't even go to jail when at fault for trashing the economy. Putting some of these crooks in jail -- rather than say someone rolling a joint -- might be one of the best returns for tax dollars we could get??

Or maybe you just get the locals to build a stadium for you or make sure you get to develop your coastal property, bring roads and sewers out to it, and then have government bail you out when it all disappears in the next storm.

If you're in something like the road building, defense, or for-profit prison industries, almost all your income comes from a government source. Historically, some of the largest accumulations of wealth of come during and in the immediate aftermath of war and revolution. Taxes are raised to start or fight the war. Millions may die or be devastated, but a few people end up very rich after.

Someone like Elon Musk might be another example - with his space, battery and EV companies successful to large part because they are heavily subsidized. So far, so good. But, then, it's entirely possible to have the government provide most of your income, educate your workers, provide all your needed infrastructure, and protect your interests -- and then imagine (and succeed in) the notion that you should pay little to no taxes in return.
 

Screwmachine

Titanium
Joined
Mar 8, 2001
Location
Switzerland
I think a 10% tax across the board would be fair, 10% on income and that is it. This modern pyramid of overlapping taxes crap needs to end. THe next President needs to clean house on the whole govt; apparatus, fire all of them and hire back 10% on merit. Then give people back their own money, social security, etc... so we don't need these people managing it. Get rid of 90% of the IRS... and get rid of the huge taxcode.
Are you a time traveler from a parallel universe?
 

thermite

Diamond
How many Commies do you actually know?

LOL! "Rather a lot". Including family and more in business as well as government. But in China? A person officially in the Party and/or in a position of power? Is not what you could categorize as a textbook Marx-Engels/Leninist "Communist" at all.

Clearly they are "Bureaucrats", with nearly ALL selected on merit and accomplishment. Most have very high IQ's, too. They are loyal to a 'system" they perceive as of greater benefit - tor THEIR people - than not.

They even pay attention to how their people perceive them.

"Grossly outnumbered" and "ever and always aware of it" survival instinct, is that?

One can disagree with their methods and their goals. Even so, it is foolhardy to rate them unable to effect those goals.

Even a BAD plan can beat a better plan if all-hands cooperate mostly, disagree seldom.. instead of being perpetually at war with one another and putting known-sub-marginal players into crucial roles where they cannot seem to even do the EASY things well, if even AT ALL.


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Mebfab

Diamond
Joined
Jun 7, 2003
Location
Mebane North Carolina USA
What did your posts contribute other than lies, two times now? Fox NEWS fox news, etc. etc.
I have a lot to contribute, in many ways, from basic machining, Metrology, machine building, CNC plasma construction, etc. etc. and also lots to learn from people who actually have knowledge to share.

Your post adds no value to the topic on taxes, My response to your post adds none as well, but you deserved the response.

Anyways your Propaganda is almost soviet style. Why did you troll my post?
My first post here was about helping a person trouble shoot their Overload alarm on a circuit board.

I have plenty of knowledge to share, programming wise, maybe edits to machine posts, or different ways to build things, etc. as the topics come up.

Why did I troll it? You had it coming calling me a commie. The standard smear of the far right when things go at all against preheld beliefs. All must conform. As for contributing. I am really not seeing you do it yet. You have what, under 2 dozen posts.... Pretty much the majority bitching on here.

And side note you are in Kansas. Your state pay less in taxes then you get back from the feds. And how did the tax cut experiment turn out?

Thing is. we probably agree on way more things then disagree. Taxes? Government collect to much and waste most? Absolutely. Does it have a right to tell me how to live my life or my neighbors life? Nope. Should more things be decided locally? I think yes. Communism work? No. Socialism? No. Cult of personality? No.

But I would enjoy some basic social democracy. Rest of the world (developed) lives longer lives at much lower health costs. The cost of insurance prevented me from expanding with more people. I would like protection from large business preying on me (forming monopolies, no workers rights, invasion of privacy/data mining, peddling commodities to raise prices). These things work in western europe. So call me a communist, but then explain why they wont work here.
 








 
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