Randalthor
Cast Iron
- Joined
- Mar 7, 2018
- Location
- Kansas City
Background: I recently bought a Bradco 509B attachable backhoe. It was made in 2019, but has never been used. The company has discontinued manufacture of attachable backhoes and customer support has been disappointing. I did not purchase it from a dealer, so there is no dealer support either.
Since the unit has never been setup to use, I am in the process of getting ready to have the primary input/output hydraulic hoses made. Normally, this would be very straightforward for me. However the operator manual has a fairly strong warning which states, "The most common cause of premature wear and malfunctioning of hydraulic system components is the ingress of contaminants and incorrect high pressure inlet and low pressure return connections (cavitation)." (emphasis added). The manual offers no advice for the correct inlet and return connections.
The inlet and outlet connection points came from the factory with flare adapters on them, and caps, in order to keep dirt out of the lines until the hoses are made and installed by the customer. The flare adapters reduce the I.D. by about an 1/8".
The primary input and outlet have multiple fittings. The first fitting is a 1/2" NPT female. Then screwed into that is a 1/2" NPT male X 1/2" JIC male. The JIC male end has a female JIC cap on the end to keep dirt out.
As I mentioned, the JIC fitting restricts the I.D. orifice size by about 1/8". An 1/8" may not seem like much, but on 1/2" fittings the flare fitting reduces the cross sectional internal area by more than 50%. The high pressure inlet has an inline filter built in, which can be seen in the first picture. Here are a couple pictures of the factory inlet/outlet fittings (outlet fittings are identical-except the outlet has no inline filter of course). The first picture is of the inlet, with the protective cap off, the second picture has the inlet and outlet pictured with the inlet cap on.
I'd like to take the flare fitting adapters off, and just have the hydraulic hoses made with 1/2" NPT male ends to allow for less restrictive fittings, but I don't know enough about cavitation of control valves to have confidence to remove the flare fittings the manufacturer installed. I've probably read just enough about cavitation on control valves to be dangerous. What I've read more or less indicates cavitation occurs where there is a substantial pressure drop in the system. Is that perhaps why the manufacturer put the more restrictive flare fittings on before the inline filter on the inlet? Perhaps in order to reduce the pressure before the hydraulic oil enters the system?
Perhaps they have the more restrictive flare fittings on the low pressure outlet to prevent the pressure from dropping below the "critical" level on the low pressure side?
The manufacturer obviously went to extra expense to put these fittings on. Perhaps it was just to make it more convenient for the customer to install the inlet and outlet hoses? If so, it doesn't add much convenience for me, as the hydraulic hoses I intend to have made, aren't very long, so it wouldn't be difficult to screw them into a NPT fitting. The other ends of the hoses will have quick disconnect (i.e. breakaway) fittings on them which plug into auxiliary hydraulic ports on a tractor.
Lastly, the specs for the backhoe state that the backhoe requires 12 gpm oil flow at a pressure of 2500 psi. The tractor puts out 14 gpm at 3000 psi.
My gut tells me it's OK to remove the more restrictive fittings, but the explicit warning in the owner's manual about cavitation gives me pause. In my experience, some of these things are counter intuitive, so I don't necessarily trust my gut in this case. Any help on this matter would be appreciated.
Since the unit has never been setup to use, I am in the process of getting ready to have the primary input/output hydraulic hoses made. Normally, this would be very straightforward for me. However the operator manual has a fairly strong warning which states, "The most common cause of premature wear and malfunctioning of hydraulic system components is the ingress of contaminants and incorrect high pressure inlet and low pressure return connections (cavitation)." (emphasis added). The manual offers no advice for the correct inlet and return connections.
The inlet and outlet connection points came from the factory with flare adapters on them, and caps, in order to keep dirt out of the lines until the hoses are made and installed by the customer. The flare adapters reduce the I.D. by about an 1/8".
The primary input and outlet have multiple fittings. The first fitting is a 1/2" NPT female. Then screwed into that is a 1/2" NPT male X 1/2" JIC male. The JIC male end has a female JIC cap on the end to keep dirt out.
As I mentioned, the JIC fitting restricts the I.D. orifice size by about 1/8". An 1/8" may not seem like much, but on 1/2" fittings the flare fitting reduces the cross sectional internal area by more than 50%. The high pressure inlet has an inline filter built in, which can be seen in the first picture. Here are a couple pictures of the factory inlet/outlet fittings (outlet fittings are identical-except the outlet has no inline filter of course). The first picture is of the inlet, with the protective cap off, the second picture has the inlet and outlet pictured with the inlet cap on.
I'd like to take the flare fitting adapters off, and just have the hydraulic hoses made with 1/2" NPT male ends to allow for less restrictive fittings, but I don't know enough about cavitation of control valves to have confidence to remove the flare fittings the manufacturer installed. I've probably read just enough about cavitation on control valves to be dangerous. What I've read more or less indicates cavitation occurs where there is a substantial pressure drop in the system. Is that perhaps why the manufacturer put the more restrictive flare fittings on before the inline filter on the inlet? Perhaps in order to reduce the pressure before the hydraulic oil enters the system?
Perhaps they have the more restrictive flare fittings on the low pressure outlet to prevent the pressure from dropping below the "critical" level on the low pressure side?
The manufacturer obviously went to extra expense to put these fittings on. Perhaps it was just to make it more convenient for the customer to install the inlet and outlet hoses? If so, it doesn't add much convenience for me, as the hydraulic hoses I intend to have made, aren't very long, so it wouldn't be difficult to screw them into a NPT fitting. The other ends of the hoses will have quick disconnect (i.e. breakaway) fittings on them which plug into auxiliary hydraulic ports on a tractor.
Lastly, the specs for the backhoe state that the backhoe requires 12 gpm oil flow at a pressure of 2500 psi. The tractor puts out 14 gpm at 3000 psi.
My gut tells me it's OK to remove the more restrictive fittings, but the explicit warning in the owner's manual about cavitation gives me pause. In my experience, some of these things are counter intuitive, so I don't necessarily trust my gut in this case. Any help on this matter would be appreciated.
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